Science News..........."If Planet X exists........."

originally posted by: TheDon
a reply to: ngchunter

Hi, as you seem to have some knowledge regarding astronomy :-) for us not so educated in the field, can you explain the following video that EndOfDays77 posted a few posts up, what we are seeing?

If you pick up the video from 21:00 were he is showing pictures taken out at sea of something that he provides sources too, and information to which he claims is not Venus.

That's a video from Marshall Masters, a true "Master" of deception. The best kind of deception contains a grain of truth as does this; it's not Venus, he's right about that. But it's a straw man argument. As per Masters usual MO, he takes a webcam image showing a small, tight lens flare near the sun, points out that it's not where Venus should be relative to the sun, therefore it's Planet X/Nibiru/Nemesis/etc. He then proceeds to claim his "orbital analysis" reveals that it's on the other side of the sun and strangely happens to be perpetually near the sun from earth's point of view even though earth is orbiting around the sun and this thing is supposedly coming in from a great distance into the inner solar system.

Anyway, I took Masters at his word and performed an independent and detailed analysis of his webcam images myself from a few months ago during his Turrialba webcam period of popularity. As it so happens I love more than just astrophotography, I also have a knack for astronomical calculations and thoroughly enjoy it. I created a spreadsheet to convert the X and Y coordinates of the lens flare in the various frames of the images into equatorial Right Ascension and Declination coordinates. I then used these coordinates to calculate the orbit. Here's what I found:

For the TL;DR crowd, the bottom line is that if you assume his "planet X" is a real object in space the orbital solution that results from plugging in its position would mean that it is indeed in an elliptical orbit... around earth, not the sun. In fact it generally resembles a sub-orbital trajectory, meaning it would hit earth within minutes. Of course the whole thing is GIGO which is why the result is so silly (in fact it's somewhat remarkable and a bit of an accomplishment that I was able to get any orbital solution at all), it's really just a lens flare.

a reply to: onebigmonkey

Gemini Observatory’s Planet-Finding Campaign finds that, around many types of stars, distant gas-giant planets are rare and prefer to cling close to their parent stars. The impact on theories of planetary formation could be significant.

It's the opening statement in that article

a reply to: ngchunter

That is all good, but from the information which was in the video I linked , and when i checked the postion of Venus, also checked the bouys, at the National Data Buoy Center. the time off the photos etc, they do not match with what is shown?

So either I am mistaken in what I have looked at whilst looking at the sources, or he is hoaxing, and if so then how and with what part off the sources he provides?

Thanks

originally posted by: amicktd
a reply to: onebigmonkey

Gemini Observatory’s Planet-Finding Campaign finds that, around many types of stars, distant gas-giant planets are rare and prefer to cling close to their parent stars. The impact on theories of planetary formation could be significant.

It's the opening statement in that article

And then it goes on to say that our gas giants are close to the sun just like all the ones they have found. You know, the bit that I quoted. Here's another part:

“It seems that gas-giant exoplanets are like clinging offspring,” says Michael Liu of the University of Hawaii’s Institute for Astronomy and leader of the Gemini Planet-Finding Campaign. “Most tend to shun orbital zones far from their parents. In our search, we could have found gas giants beyond orbital distances corresponding to Uranus and Neptune in our own Solar System, but we didn’t find any.”

So, they were expecting to find gas giants further out than our most distant gas giants, but they didn't.

In other words our solar system is just like all the other ones.

originally posted by: TheDon
a reply to: ngchunter

That is all good, but from the information which was in the video I linked , and when i checked the postion of Venus, also checked the bouys, at the National Data Buoy Center. the time off the photos etc, they do not match with what is shown?

I'm not talking about the buoys, he's just doing the same thing again this time with buoy webcams instead of the Turrialba volcano webcam. He claims both show the same thing, but the old Turrialba volcano webcam has been replaced so he's switched webcam to focus on. You can't even perform an orbital analysis on the buoy webcams though; they're bobbing in the ocean and do not offer a fixed perspective from which to calculate the celestial coordinates of the "object."

So either I am mistaken in what I have looked at whilst looking at the sources, or he is hoaxing, and if so then how and with what part off the sources he provides?

I'm not sure what part of this you aren't understanding. He didn't just come out of nowhere last week with this buoy webcam Nibiru, he started this a long time ago, occasionally he piggybacks on other outright hoaxes such as the Secureteam hoax this last week (don't get me started on that), but mostly he takes various webcam images showing small tight lens flares and declares them to be his "planet X/Nibiru/Nemesis/whatever." I analyzed his "planet" from the Turrialba webcam images he presented himself months ago and showed that it's not a planet at all; if it were in space it would be orbiting around earth and likely on a sub-orbital trajectory.

originally posted by: onebigmonkey
So, they were expecting to find gas giants further out than our most distant gas giants, but they didn't.

I'm not sure if they "expected" to find them, but it seems that the methods used to search for them have the ability to find them, but they haven't.

I'm simply saying that it isn't a limitation in the search method that is preventing them from finding any, but rather it seems that if gas giants orbiting far far off from their star are either extremely rare or nonexistent (although I don't think any scientist would go so far as to say that such an orbit is impossible, just highly unlikely).

a reply to: onebigmonkey

What I'm trying to say is its more common for jovian planet to be in the hot zone. The hot zone is the area where Mercury and Venus orbit. In our solar system our Gas giants are in the cold zone relative to our star as shown below.

Our Solar System

Now look at the placement of planets for all known exoplanets.

All Exoplanets

So as you can see our solar system is different than most.

a reply to: EndOfDays77

Wow...

I have one question for you:

Have you ever used a camera?

95% of these amateur photos of "Nibiru" are lens flares / tricks of light.

If you can't see an object with a telescope, how in the hell would you expect to see if with a DSLR, SLR, or even worse, an iPhone camera?!



Oh, and that poleshift.org website is clearly run by people grasping to prove their self-proclaimed prophecy as true. The pictures posted of the Earth's magnetosphere for instance (which they claim are "compressed by the impending planet X") have been explained for years. I took ONE astronomy class in college and one of the first things we covered was the well documented effects of Solar Winds coming from the Sun (you know, the one you can see with your eyes), causing the ionosphere/magnetosphere to fluctuate based on differential strengths of the Sun's output. Yes, I'm sure a professional astronomer will come in here and correct my semantics, but I'd much prefer hearing that from someone who actually studies theses things, rather than a crackpot who runs a site and tries pumping disinformation into hard data in an attempt to say that it supports their theory.

Yes, I believe there's possibly other planets beyond the Keiper belt.

No, I don't think any of them swoop through our Solar system ever 3600 years to cause Ferguson riots.

originally posted by: Box of Rain

originally posted by: onebigmonkey
So, they were expecting to find gas giants further out than our most distant gas giants, but they didn't.

I'm not sure if they "expected" to find them, but it seems that the methods used to search for them have the ability to find them, but they haven't.

Fair point - I was grasping for a word to keep what I was saying simple and it wasn't the appropriate one

a reply to: amicktd

And all I was saying is that what the article was being quoted as saying was not what the article was actually saying.

The links you've just presented are interesting, but there is clearly a difference between the one I was quoting and those as to what they are defining as 'close'.

You also can't say that our solar system is necessarily different on the basis of the data you've linked to there. What you can say is that ours isn't typical of the ones we have found, and as the poster above suggests it may just be that we find those further out from a star to be more difficult to observe.

Even with that, you can see that of the 793 Jovian gas giants on the big graphic, more than a third of them occur outside the 'hot zone' (and the bulk of those in the 'cold' zone, so you can argue that 1 in 3 planetary systems has a planet the size of Jupiter outside the hot zone - not that unusual and we have two of them in Jupiter and Saturn.

Notwithstanding any of that, the whole Nibiru/PlanetX doomporn nonsense falls well and truly into the 'making sh*t up' category of clickbait.

originally posted by: EndOfDays77
Great thread Planet X Is Here!


To me and many others that have been following this saga over the years,this announcement that you have highlighted, is quite clearly a slow roll announcement to the fact that this object is NOT on the edge of the solar system as is postulated, but inbound from below the ecliptic nearing perihelion, inside Earth orbit!!

TOTAL & UTTER BS we have a whole community of members on here that spend a lot of time & effort photographing the night sky, we have a thread about it here.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

We have probably got members in all time zones round the planet in the Northern & Southern hemisphere (so how can it sneak up from below), some with access to professional grade equipment and you get taken in by some internet twat claiming this can be seen with a web came, I wish my customers were as gullible as that then I wouldn't have to work as hard

a reply to: onebigmonkey

And all I was saying is that what the article was being quoted as saying was not what the article was actually saying.

The links you've just presented are interesting, but there is clearly a difference between the one I was quoting and those as to what they are defining as 'close'. '

Agreed

You also can't say that our solar system is necessarily different on the basis of the data you've linked to there. What you can say is that ours isn't typical of the ones we have found, and as the poster above suggests it may just be that we find those further out from a star to be more difficult to observe.

Hey at least I'm linking data. Most in this thread are just stating opinions and #ting on the OP without any sources at all. I hate seeing that and although I don't believe in Nibiru, I can't just say no it doesn't exist because I said so.

Even with that, you can see that of the 793 Jovian gas giants on the big graphic, more than a third of them occur outside the 'hot zone' (and the bulk of those in the 'cold' zone, so you can argue that 1 in 3 planetary systems has a planet the size of Jupiter outside the hot zone - not that unusual and we have two of them in Jupiter and Saturn.

I don't disagree with you. My opinion is that we get a variety of solar systems in all shapes and sizes. I just wanted to link proven data though.

originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
This subtitle gave me a laugh given how many on here vowed that Planet X did not exist.

why does it make you laugh?
you planetXnuts said the planet would be visible to the naked eye on far south of the globe as early as fall 2012
and by 2014 everyone would be able to see it.

Well. Its simply not there

OMG I see the single digit IQ's are having a field day again.

European physicists have managed to land a probe on Comet by utilising the gravitational pull of several objects in our solar system to slingshot the craft around the solar system a number of times.

Now in case the brain cells need some warming up :

This is impossible if there is any other bodies within our solar system, no matter how visible or not, if they have any gravity (ie mass) whatsover.

Let me guess : "It never landed on the comet and it 's all some cover up for a TPTB de-population excercise!!!!!!!"

Why is all Human scientific progress and achievement ridiculed and dismissed just to prop up deluded conspiracies. It's pathetic and sad.

a reply to: yorkshirelad

This is impossible if there is any other bodies within our solar system, no matter how visible or not, if they have any gravity (ie mass) whatsover.

So how did the Voyager keep its trajectory using Jupiter as a gravity assist when we only knew of a 1/4 of its moons at the time?

originally posted by: amicktd
I said what if a planet came through IN A 1000 years, never said it happened a 1000 years ago.

In order for us to know that there IS a 'Nibiru' for Sitchin to have a 'theory' of it, then it would have had to pass through the system within written history. People weren't keeping any sort of that earlier than 3000 BCE or so, which most certainly isn't time to get the sort of tidal locking you see now. And millions of years back, we weren't people.

And that's your theory

You can actually work from the same material Sitchin had, and nothing on those seals matches what he's saying it does. He doesn't have a lot of regard from, you know, real linguists OR astronomers.

Why do you keep reading my statements wrong? I never said it had to happen in a certain amount of time. It could have been 10 million years ago for all I know.

In which case, how would we know about it? How would we know there was a "Nibiru" to have some theory about it? According to Sitchin, it apparently swoops in every 3600 years or so.

OK?

So no records.

Now this is just insulting. I'm actually highly educated.

If so, I'm guessing music theory or accounting or the like. A historian wouldn't fall for Sitchin's bs, nor a language major. No one in sciences would, either.

a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

Have you see the film "Melancholia"?

It is by Lars von Trier. It is a very atmospheric film. It is about a huge planet coming closer and closer to the earth among other things.

The whole planet X thing is somebody taking a scientific theory mixing it up with Sumerian stone depictions and an ancient culture's end of calendar and turning it into a doomsday scenario.

I am open to the idea of there being a dwarf binary star or planet somewhere way out because there is an interesting scientific theory based on real data, but there is nothing that will remotely interfere with us.

originally posted by: amicktd
a reply to: yorkshirelad

This is impossible if there is any other bodies within our solar system, no matter how visible or not, if they have any gravity (ie mass) whatsover.

So how did the Voyager keep its trajectory using Jupiter as a gravity assist when we only knew of a 1/4 of its moons at the time?

Simple the gravity of those moons had NO effect when compared to Jupiter's it's not Rocket Science well in this case it probably is

originally posted by: Cloudbuster
I really hope this Planet X is real and it turns up soon, but why is it named Planet X,. Maybe our long lost cousins live there,
Keep your avatar name and Hunab ku a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

It has a formal name; 'Nibiru' - depending on who you ask.

I'm personally rather indifferent until it has a significant impact on life on Earth; or life on 'Nibiru'. There may be a dozen planets out past Pluto that we don't know about - who really knows - but what does it really change for us?

Someone mentioned that it could be a Dyson Sphere - that would get my head spinning on axis; and aside from the fact that a Dyson Sphere is hypothetically the size of an entire solar system - would account for earlier accounts of such by ancient humanity.

Taking into account the proposed size of a Dyson Sphere though ( that of an entire solar system ); I might argue that something of that capacity orbiting our sun is not only a little silly logistically ( - If you're a megastructure the size of a solar system with a star at your core, why fly around another star? ), but this also prevents entirely the formerly 'accepted' theory of Nibiru being a planet that might pass us on occasion. If Nibiru were in fact a Dyson Sphere, it would have to sit at half a million miles ( or some ridiculous number ) to not suck us into it - so the way I see it there would be no chance of experiencing it at 'closely' as some civilizations may claim to have experienced Nibiru.

Vacuums and such aside ( BTW - I own a Dyson - best personal grade vacuum I've ever touched )--- I think identifying another planet in the solar system would be a marvelous breakthrough, but my honest take is that all of these astronomers are wasting valuable time at this point.

My plea to any and all astronomers on ATS - invest your time into finding something habitable; not into finding a mythological 19th planet. The former is far paramount to our survival as a 'global' race - that I would love to see turn into a 'solar' race before the end of my lifespan ( which I intend to extend to at least 250 years -- And I'mma be fresh as @#)($ @ 250. ). I would argue that we spend billions on research that isn't moving us forward much. Sure - if in our hunt for a habitable planet we happen to come across a 10th planet - cool beans - but let's not dedicate our lives to finding a planet that may or may not be there. There are more important endeavors.

Now -- As I'm typing this a concept comes to mind that I don't even know has a formal name at this point - but consider a 'miniature' 'dyson sphere' - something size of a planet, for instance... This might have some merit to me.

I walked away from typing all of this a while ago and have quite lost my train of thought - but there you have some of it.

I suppose.

Hmm, why am I not surprised to be hearing growing speculation on the Nibiru aka planet X these days once again?

Why I decided to comment is a story that I`m about to tell you. And if you belive it or not is up to you. Thing is that bothers me very much is that an acquaintance whom I meet once in a while told me about the 6 inch alien about one month before it made it to press. He also told me it was about to be released to the public and that it will confirm his story, cause I was sceptical to what he was saying like always. Then it happened....

For those who are unfamilliar with the story:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Well, mainstream belief is that this humanoid is human in origin but I heard another story....

Anyway, why this makes any significance to this topic is because what am I about to say next. This same person told me that we`re about to be spammed with Nibiru news again very soon and that all the chemtrails being used over our skies these days is to make our atmosphere friendly for the visitors who will pay us a visit. And he was suggesting Annunaki.

Now I know how this sounds so spare me the funny comments. But as I said, I have a funny feeling over this cause I ve been there before over the little alien friend...