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Obama's Immigration Executive Order? or was it just "Memoranda"?

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posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 01:09 PM
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Obama announced some immigration reforms the other night.

Was this an actual Executive Order or was it just Presidential Memoranda?

The White House website shows no actual Executive Orders for this, but does have two Presidential Memoranda dated Nov 21st.

Unless they just haven't put it up yet.

Who knows what this clever gentleman is doing......

two "Menoranda" dated Nov 21st.....

Presidential Memorandum -- Modernizing and Streamlining the U.S. Immigrant Visa System for the 21st Century


Presidential Memorandum -- Creating Welcoming Communities and Fully Integrating Immigrants and Refugees


Executive Orders site:
Executive Orders


"Absence" is Noticable







posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 01:22 PM
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Throughout our Nation's history, immigrants have helped the United States build the world's strongest economy. Immigrants represent the majority of our PhDs in math, computer science, and engineering, and over one quarter of all U.S.-based Nobel laureates over the past 50 years were foreign-born. I


Wait WHAT ?

After the billions we have spent on 'education', and created that awesome 'department' of education ?

Hows that ?

Basically immigrants are smarter than us natural born folks!


As to an EO or memorandum ?

Gotta be something of substance or his pundits wouldn't be hyping it so much as a 'fix'.



posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: neo96



Throughout our Nation's history, immigrants have helped the United States build the world's strongest economy. Immigrants represent the majority of our PhDs in math, computer science, and engineering, and over one quarter of all U.S.-based Nobel laureates over the past 50 years were foreign-born. I


Wait WHAT ?

After the billions we have spent on 'education', and created that awesome 'department' of education ?

Hows that ?

Basically immigrants are smarter than us natural born folks!


As to an EO or memorandum ?

Gotta be something of substance or his pundits wouldn't be hyping it so much as a 'fix'.


Bet the ones getting the phd's are not walking across the Rio Grande.



posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: neo96



and over one quarter of all U.S.-based Nobel laureates over the past 50 years were foreign-born.



Hmmm.

Wonder who that might include



posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 01:33 PM
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a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71




Bet the ones getting the phd's are not walking across the Rio Grande.


Correctemundo!

Which shows just how full of crap he is.

Hell they don't even speak english, unlike those immigrants with Phd's.



posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 01:34 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: neo96



and over one quarter of all U.S.-based Nobel laureates over the past 50 years were foreign-born.



Hmmm.

Wonder who that might include




Must be talking about himself.

Hell it's not like anyone has to EARN those anymore.


edit on 24-11-2014 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 01:49 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Obama announced some immigration reforms the other night.

Was this an actual Executive Order or was it just Presidential Memoranda?




It was a Presidential "Memoranda", not an "executive order"...there is very little difference between the two, albeit a "Memoranda" appears to be less "Directive" and permits greater leeway for the agencies themselves regarding execution of the laws.



posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 02:02 PM
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Immigrants represent the majority of our PhDs in math, computer science, and engineering,


Everyone knows that majority is Asian immigrants.

Certainly not from down south of the border.

Forgot to say that earlier.



posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 02:09 PM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: xuenchen
Obama announced some immigration reforms the other night.

Was this an actual Executive Order or was it just Presidential Memoranda?




It was a Presidential "Memoranda", not an "executive order"...there is very little difference between the two, albeit a "Memoranda" appears to be less "Directive" and permits greater leeway for the agencies themselves regarding execution of the laws.


Well those two "Memos" don't seem to address the points in the TV address.

Confusing.




posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 02:11 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

I wouldn't be too confused. It's just like the ACA where they said one thing.

And we totally got another.

That is the current admin's SOP.
edit on 24-11-2014 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 02:14 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: xuenchen
Obama announced some immigration reforms the other night.

Was this an actual Executive Order or was it just Presidential Memoranda?




It was a Presidential "Memoranda", not an "executive order"...there is very little difference between the two, albeit a "Memoranda" appears to be less "Directive" and permits greater leeway for the agencies themselves regarding execution of the laws.


Well those two "Memos" don't seem to address the points in the TV address.

Confusing.



How so? be specific.



posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 02:18 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: xuenchen

I wouldn't be too confused. It's just like the ACA where they said one thing.

And we totally got another.

That is the current admin's SOP.


No it isn't. It's just Obama doing what he can with the limit of his office. Unlike what most Republicans say, Obama really doesn't act outside of the law. He may play a little fast and loose with it, but so do most Presidents. That's why none of the illegals were legalized, he is just having INS redirect its resources to not deport families with children born here while asking them to register and pay taxes. Though I wonder how many will take him up on his offer since all the next President has to do is sign a new EO upon taking office that rescinds this and all those registered illegals would be open to deportation.



posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 02:23 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Well, I learned something from this thread. I have been talking about Obama's immigration EO, and now I find out it wasn't an EO afterall? Hmmm...Is this an important detail?

It isn't included on this list:

Federal Register of 2014 Barack Obama Executive Orders



edit on 24-11-2014 by queenofswords because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 02:41 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Indigo5

Leaked: Advance Outline of Obama Executive Order On Immigration (pdf) White House Document



Still confused? that is a link to some far right website?

You said the Memorandum(ae?) are significantly different than his announcement? How? No offense, but that is a pretty simple question...How?


originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: xuenchen
Obama announced some immigration reforms the other night.

Was this an actual Executive Order or was it just Presidential Memoranda?




It was a Presidential "Memoranda", not an "executive order"...there is very little difference between the two, albeit a "Memoranda" appears to be less "Directive" and permits greater leeway for the agencies themselves regarding execution of the laws.


Well those two "Memos" don't seem to address the points in the TV address.

Confusing.


edit on 24-11-2014 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 02:50 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

Might be easier to show the similarities.










posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 02:58 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

How?..

You said that what he announced is different from the executive action?

I simply ask how? (twice now)...and you can't answer?

No offense, but this OP seems wholly useless, you, yourself seem unable to explain what it is about?

Or are you just pointing out that far-right websites, like the one you directed me to, made the technical error of calling it an "Executive Order" vs. Memorandum?



edit on 24-11-2014 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 03:06 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

Here's Obama's transcript from the other night ........

What in there is the same as the 2 Memos?

Breaking--Full Text Of Obama's Immigration Speech Prepared For Delivery




posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 03:08 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yeah it is.

The immigration system isn't broken to begin with.

The entire function of the LAW is to slow the flow of it so the country can handle what it already has.

Considering there have been 7 GD anmesty's over the last 30 years.

The problem isn't with the LAW.

It's with ENFORCEMENT of it.




Obama really doesn't act outside of the law.


Yes he does.

Amnesty is the PRIME EXAMPLE OF IT.

He has boldly declared the law 'matters' like the ACA then in the same breathe, and says the LAW doesn't matter with immigration.

That is some BIG TIME COGNITIVE DISSONANCE FROM HIM,, and his supporters.



posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Indigo5

Here's Obama's transcript from the other night ........

What in there is the same as the 2 Memos?

Breaking--Full Text Of Obama's Immigration Speech Prepared For Delivery



It's your OP? Why should I be reading transcripts to figure out YOUR claim?

If you believe his announcement is different from the actual executive action Memorandum, then maybe just cite a single example?

Really strange exchange here...How is it different? How hard is that for you to answer?...you said it...not me..



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