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originally posted by: Mark2036
The only thing that bugs me is the ending... He kills himself, then stops the bombing,..
originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Grovit
OK, This is one of the best time travel movies ever made. HOLY CRAP that was good. So many levels, so much to consider, I am delightfully occupied in thought.
Its a must watch.
originally posted by: Grovit
a reply to: Mark2036
small things change..
those were clippings about bombings. just not the same bombings that hawke and robertson were talking about earlier in the movie.
during the middle of the movie as he was jumping the dates on the bombings were changing, but they still happened.
so the fizzle bomber that hawke killed still blew # up, just not the same stuff.
thats what i gather.
the baby will always be jane who will always become john who will always become the bomber but events can change.
of course i could be wrong but thats what i got from it along from reading about the movie and the original short
originally posted by: Grovit
a reply to: Mark2036
i will check out primer.
i think predestination deals with the time loop better than other movies with that plot, like looper for example.
still though, my favorite movie about time travel is 12 moneys...by far
originally posted by: Mark2036
Wait the date of the bombing changed? I missed that :p
yeah. hawke has a clipping of one of the bombings and the date on it changes in one of the scenes...i dont mean it actually changes during the scene. i mean in one scene it is a certain date and in another it is different
I still am sticking with the double time loop theory as I remember old man Hawke saying in his speech to young Hawke that all the events in the clippings occur because the bombing doesn't happen
stick to it all you want. youre wrong my friend...thats the point of the movie. it is predestined to happen. the only way he 'could' break the loop is to not kill the bomber but he always will kill the bomber...also, when the bomber is talking to hawke he is showing him the clippings and telling him how this or that didnt happen and he saved x amounts of lives because he blew up a building for example
, He then meets his young self but convinces him to love him not shoot him. Then he goes and does the bombing (as the old man, you can see the beard in the fight scene after he sets the bomb). The young him and old him then live happily ever after together, with him telling the younger self the story of his life, and how he shot the older him in his timeline.
nope. it is a predestination paradox....thats the point of the movie...youre inventing these situations to fit what you want to happen but thats not how it went down
It's almost poetic .... If I'm wrong then meh... I don't wanna be right ;p
originally posted by: Mark2036
Ha this is fun.
yes it is
So to follow thru to the logical conclusion in your theory, hawke kills the old man bomber, then he.... A few days later becomes the bomber (I.e a young hawke bomber?). But the earlier scene saw the bomber as an old man with beard fighting young hawke.
well, its not a theory. thats what happened. i dont know if it was a few days but hawke does become the bomber. and yes, we did see a scene with hawke fighting the bomber. it was jane though(still hawke) before she got burned and had surgery which made her look like hawke
or do you mean an older him comes back in time to do the bombing,
no, thats not what i mean
However, If you follow through on the perspective of hawke in your theory that the bombing always occurs in a single loop, then when does he see the effects of no bombing? Where does he acquire the newspaper clipping of alternate "no bombing" world?
i dont know where he gets the clippings from and it is not a no bombing world. bombings still happen. the bomber tells hawke in the laundry that he blew things up
Also, I think the movie took a bit of artistic license and does not exactly correlate with the short story plot. I.e the bombing sub plot was not in the original story, just the main loop of giving birth to her/himself.