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Yahweh Zeus and Lucifer are one in the same?

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posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 03:59 PM
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This is partially in response to a hail Satan thread that has been on the front page for a while but I have been planning a thread like this anyway so here goes.

YHVH is NOT God! The bible clearly says that Israel was YHVH's inheritance, and YHVH clearly says to the Israelites "I will be your god and you will be my people". The first commandment is further evidence of this. "You shall have no other gods before me". Notice it doesn't say not to have other gods, it just say to put YHVH first.

(on a side note the Quran says that Allah is an inheritor also so he is not God either)


God as I understand him is the divine source and therefore cannot inherit anything within the dimensions of this universe. God created all the dimensions of the universe and all of the life forms in it. So he certainly cannot be YHVH or Allah who must have either inherited their people and lands from God whom they belonged to or Satan who stole them.

I started my adult life as a Christian and really started looking into the matter when I had children and wanted to find the right church denomination to attend since many of them were teaching blatant nonsense. (trinity and rapture for example)

The more I dug , the deeper the hole got until I had to just throw out Christianity and the bible all together. That's not to say that the bible is entirely false, I believe parts of the OT are true or at least based in truth, but it is certainly not a good source to learn about God.

So here is my conclusion: Satan and his followers decided to go against the divine source and instead of protecting and guarding the earth as was their job. They decided to enslave humankind and take for themselves whatever they wanted, earth women included.

All of the ancient god's were either a manifestation of Satan or one of his followers. This is why we have the same evil gods over long time periods and in many different places just with different names. Zeus was a murderous rapist and so was YHVH if you believe the Christian story. Satan must have divided up the earth amongst his followers and this is why we have inheritor gods like YHVH and Allah although I must say at least the Muslims seem to practice what they preach.

Only some of the Native Americans and other tribal type communities managed to follow the original teachings and avoid falling into the trappings of materialism that Satan gave to his slaves in the form of mechanical and technological advances and industry in general. All of these advances have culminated into nothing more than a means to observe, control and indoctrinate us. Some gift.

This is why "civilization" (the material world) seems to have sprang up out of nowhere. The guardians deceived mankind into believing that they were the creators and that man was made to be the slaves of the gods. (the bible is probably closer to the truth in that is does not say in the creation story that we were made to be slaves) Since they (the fallen ones) have been here for a very long time, all of history is about them and the true God (the divine source) has been almost completely erased from history.

Did you know that in the book of revelation it says that Jesus is going to rule the earth and nuke any nation that does not pay tribute? This sounds more like the Satanic NWO than the prince of peace to me.

Since humanity is a creation of the divine we are inherently trusting and moral. This made us easy to fool by not so easy to corrupt. It is only in this new modern age that the tools for our total corruption have been developed and deployed. Sure there have always been evil, immoral and spiritually corrupt people but in general the average men and women stuck to their families and their morals passed down from generation to generation by family members, not a state education system.

We have the propaganda box (T.V.) that has been used to corrupt us as a whole for close to a century now and the plan is working splendidly. Each generation is corrupted just slightly more than the one before in a slippery slope, boiling frog type fashion. This is complimented by the other entertainment industries, music and movies mostly and is consolidated by the public indoctrination system i.e. public schools. I submit this quote as evidence that this is being done on purpose and opposed to a natural "progression".

“The Revolution won’t happen with guns, rather it will happen incrementally, year by year, generation by generation. We will gradually infiltrate their educational institutions and their political offices, transforming them slowly into Marxist entities as we move towards universal egalitarianism."
Horkheimer - Frankfurt school of Cultural Marxists.
You may ask why does Lucifer want or need to corrupt us? Well I'm not sure but it seems that he is going to be held accountable for the enslavement of humanity at some point and wants us all to be nice and corrupted like a bunch of savage wild animals with our genitals hanging out, not so smart phones in hand and in full denial of our semi divine status. That way he can say, look they are no good anyways and they deserve to be treated this way, just like the animals that they are.

What I do know for sure is that immorality is not liberation. It is enslavement to fleshly lust and material things and is the casting away of spiritual virtue and is also the cause of much pain throughout the world. In the past century so called civilized nations have turned from mostly good honest hard working people into lazy disease infested, depressed, psychopaths who care more about self gratification then they do the wellbeing of their own selves and children. This has greatly been enabled by the federal government of course.

By destroying the natural family he has damaged the minds and spirits of the children who inevitably become damaged adults who have very little choice but to continue the cycle since they themselves only now how to live as a broken child/adult.
Promiscuousness, homosexuality, selfishness, materialistic desires and immorality in general are symptoms of this and are also a cause of this, it is cyclical. Healthy loving adults breed healthy loving children who become healthy loving adults and continue the cycle. In one or two generations this cycle was almost completely broken and replaced with unhealthy, damaged adults producing unhealthy, damaged children and the cycle of pain continues.

God represents love and divine universal law. The two cannot be separated for the law sustains love and love sustains the law. Satan broke that law and is pushing his transgressions onto humanity and almost no one is even putting up a fight anymore mostly because of the propaganda box and other indoctrination tools mentioned above. After all nobody wants to be unpopular right? The t.v. says that being popular is very important so it must be true. Conveniently enough the t.v. also decides for us what is popular and what is not.

I am not here to cast stones as I have been a victim of this just as much as anyone else. A saint I am not.

The good news is that the righteous ones who still follow the divine source and divine universal moral law will at some point (seemingly soon) return to set things right. The only question in my mind is how much worse will it get before the earth and humanity is restored to its intended splendor.

continued.




posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 03:59 PM
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I understand I will not be making a lot of friends with this post and I also understand that this is a lot of speculation. Intuitive speculation seems to be all that we really have left though since most everything in this world has been twisted and corrupted beyond recognition by the very ones that some of you seem to believe have liberated us.

This is the culmination of thought and study over time, I do not claim that this is all factual this is just the basic conclusion that I have drawn based on the limited knowledge and intelligence that I have.

I am interested in other opinions and conclusions as well but I most likely will not be able to respond to every post or question. I will however try to make time to at least read through all of them. Thank you for taking the time to read this if you have managed to make it to the end without taking offence and closing the window.




1Sa_26:19 NowH6258 therefore, I pray thee,H4994 let my lordH113 the kingH4428 hearH8085 (H853) the wordsH1697 of his servant.H5650 IfH518 the LORDH3068 have stirred thee upH5496 against me, let him acceptH7306 an offering:H4503 but ifH518 they be the childrenH1121 of men,H120 cursedH779 be theyH1992 beforeH6440 the LORD;H3068 forH3588 they have driven me outH1644 this dayH3117 from abidingH4480 H5596 in the inheritanceH5159 of the LORD,H3068 saying,H559 Go,H1980 serveH5647 otherH312 gods.H430

2Sa_14:16 ForH3588 the kingH4428 will hear,H8085 to deliverH5337 (H853) his handmaidH519 out of the handH4480 H3709 of the manH376 that would destroyH8045 me and my sonH1121 togetherH3162 out of the inheritanceH4480 H5159 of God.H430

2Sa_20:1 And thereH8033 happenedH7122 to be there a manH376 of Belial,H1100 whose nameH8034 was Sheba,H7652 the sonH1121 of Bichri,H1075 a Benjamite:H1145 and he blewH8628 a trumpet,H7782 and said,H559 We have noH369 partH2506 in David,H1732 neitherH3808 have we inheritanceH5159 in the sonH1121 of Jesse:H3448 every manH376 to his tents,H168 O Israel.H3478

2Sa_20:19 IH595 am one of them that are peaceableH7999 and faithfulH539 in Israel:H3478 thouH859 seekestH1245 to destroyH4191 a cityH5892 and a motherH517 in Israel:H3478 whyH4100 wilt thou swallow upH1104 the inheritanceH5159 of the LORD?H3068
2Ki_21:14 And I will forsakeH5203 (H853) the remnantH7611 of mine inheritance,H5159 and deliverH5414 them into the handH3027 of their enemies;H341 and they shall becomeH1961 a preyH957 and a spoilH4933 to allH3605 their enemies;H341
Psa_94:14 ForH3588 the LORDH3068 will notH3808 cast offH5203 his people,H5971 neitherH3808 will he forsakeH5800 his inheritance.H5159



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 04:11 PM
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a reply to: johnnyBgood

NO! they are not the same YHWH Yahweh/Yahwey means God Almighty and was treated with utter reverance by the Hebrew cleric's.
Zeus is an Idol though I personally like the greek god's more than most pagan god's but Zeus also is not Lucifer (ACT's 17:23 "For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: to an unknown god. So you are ignorant of the very thing you worship--and this is what I am going to proclaim to you." this was among the Greek's so why did it not say Zeus or Lucifer )which means Shining one - not great light or enlightened, Jesus mentions the devil being cast out from heaven like lightning.
Lucifer was an angel who tried to steal the very throne of God, He was overcome with his own narcistic self importance and thought he was better than God/YHWH/Yahweh/Jehova.



Isaiah 14:12 How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of ...
... How are you fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how ... How art
thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how ...

Lucifer is sometime's associated with Venus though some claim mars also, here in this biblical reference he is called FALLEN that is Demon or fallen angel - they are the same thing, you might want to read the Book of Enoch, it is hard to understand but enlightening.



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 04:17 PM
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a reply to: johnnyBgood

Regardless of what conclusions you've come to, at the very least you've realised that the so called god of the OT is not the one true God

There are soo many people waking up to realise this fact...

Just look around the forum and you will see...

Many Christians remain in this delusion, and will remain... but there are many who are seeing the light as well




posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 04:42 PM
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In old people talk it just sounds like religious babbel But under the surface of it all what's the most likely canditate for God, Angels and demons? Aliens.

Do they come from seperate universe to try to mess with this universe that humans so laughably think they lay claim to.

Your creator did not create the entire universe. And you will have to deal with it.

There is absolutely nothing special about this planets people or this blue dot that would even warrent such a claim as creating this universe for us. You would not only be ignorant and selfish. You would also be extremely prideful and almost warrenting murphys law to crap on all your doubts hopes and dreams.



However this does not remove the threat of being created by a ultra-dimensional species.
Basically if we mess up they will abduct as many people as they can then wipe it for a clean slate and try again.
The only purpose humans are here is to be the brood of an inter-galatic species that can no longer reproduce since they are no longer flesh and blood but underwent transformation in recombination chambers to imbue matter with a quantum entanglement program built into the particles themselves as internal circuit boards by re-aligning matter by artificially executing micro magnetic engineering.

if you understand what that means is they rearange the sub slivers which make up sub-atomic particles into a type of quatum circuit board internally within the particle. Basically they don't have a gender, because they no longer have organs at this point. They can recombine the particle together to simulate density, Tho there really isn't any density there at all.
They can phase in and out of *reality* because they can move between air molecules cutting drag, it's almost like a mono rail sort of. You can change the magnetic frequencies to become more attractive or repulsive to any given mass.

So technically you can travel very quickly under water ect in such a depolarized state. Submarines somewhat rely on their propeller moving slowly otherwise it will boil water behind it and cause snaps which give away its position.

I'm rambling but basically when you read any ancient texts about gods ect. Look for hints or clues into things that presently exist today. Likewise, things that seem utterly bizare are probably B.S.

I mean look at Scientology. If it can happen in this timeline it could of happened in a past timeline. B.S does make it's way through the public i mean. Look at democrazy. (Democracy) You got 2 colors to root for blue and red. And people wonder why the world is so corrupt? You must be a liberal. Well i beg to differ you must be a conservative. (Conservatives don't conserive anything btw, Harper and his oil oil oil! and CHINA FRACK DEALS
)

But neither of these asshats are described in the bible under heavenly or supernatural names. For they are just men, Kings and priests or w.e. The bible talks plenty aboot them too.

So if there ever was a Satan it's probably an alien. Oh and Gnostic texts are garbage. I'v personally met aliens and they didn't seem like Poltergiest tulpas to me or psychic space ameobas sucking our happyness out and fueling hatred from its alternate universe that exist.... Somewhere? I mean the Earth is wipping around a tiny little sun in 1 galaxy the milkyway. So where ever this alternate universe is, is it like over there? or over there? Where is it? And what rule states that if such a universe is everywhere alongside us does it mean that such entities in a place even if it did exist could find us on the otherside of the mirror? And i mean the exact spot Earth is flying around in the milkyway because already it seems highly unlikely and utterly pointless. It just adds problems it does not fix any paradoxs it just stacks paradoxs ontop of paradoxs. Like if such a universe existed would it be bigger in scale than ours? if so then more universes must layer ontop of each other. But if it's the same size as ours. One or the other will consume the other depending on how dense either or is so eitherway the entire concept is Bunk.

Just read the bible for a story because that's all it is.
You wanna meet aliens and stuff go out there and start taking it seriously. You'll meet god faster than you can know. Just which god and where they are from is another question altogether. But since the bible does not deal with the whos and whys. it just talks about a hypothetical man with a beard who has angels and stuff.

It's not like the average christian is expecting to see a shapeshifting humanoidish animal that has 1000 eyes ( Is telepathic, where one can see you others can see through that one aliens vision thus making it have 1000 eyes)

When it's pretty obvious what it is. Look at the sphinx, Any angels you see transforming and doing crazy stuff like turning into a lion or a wolf or a cow or a horse is pretty much our creators at least for my beliefs.

The sphinx is a monument to these aliens. The pyramids are the charging ports for the buried armada.
Basically earth has been saved more than once that is why there is the superhero stories where we call them gods.
The gods are Heros as well and this is specifically mentioned. Pretty much supernatural heroes have saved us over and over. So now you got stories like the rapture ect. All based on superheros saving humanity and restoring civilization after cataklysm.

Love the Hero when he shows up yes. But forget all this religious nonsense.
Screw it. It all sucks, its bland and boring and untruthful because even tho its based on real things its corrupted with its flowery imagery and PG-13 censorship.

what whatever right? I'm just an alien contactee i couldn't possibly know what im talking about



cherubim and seraphim

It's all right there under google.


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posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 05:01 PM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

How do you reconcile your beliefs with the fact that the bible says YHVH inherited Israel? From whom did he inherit it?

Also the bible says that the Elohim plural (or gods if you will) created the heavens and the earth and everything in and on them. This Yahweh guy is no where to be found in the creation story.
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posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 05:10 PM
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a reply to: Akragon

Yes, because knowing is half the battle. HAHA



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 05:17 PM
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a reply to: AnuTyr

I agree with a lot of what you say here, I have considered the alien thing but by definition God and angels are aliens no matter where they came from.

I didn't mention it in the op but I have met God or some sort of angel at the youthful age of 17. That experience with what I call the holy spirit fire is probably the only reason I am not an atheist right now. So I know personally know that there is good out there. Pure love and honesty that is not malicious or selfish in any way.

I think it is quite possible the aliens or ufos are what are referred to in ancient texts as gods or angels and I am pretty sure there are more than one side.

The evil ones that corrupt and the awesome ones that are hear to help, or at least minimize the damage. Some of this might sound crazy but so be it.

Thanks for you input, I was not aware of some of the concepts you mentioned and i will have some more info to ponder in my spare time.

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posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 05:32 PM
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a reply to: johnnyBgood

Well this might be described as molevolent but my first E.T encounter with a friend it abducted a baby. The thing it brought it back and showed me its craft ( I saw the craft before it abducted the baby it flew it over a street light) It never hurt me showed various skills of a supernatural nature. I was with a friend at the time over at his house. But what you said about honesty is spot on.

They couldn't communicate through voice but through emotion, they could rapidly change emotion and pulse it as an area of effect and the feeling is hyper-exadurated and layers on the skin. You can still feel your own emotion but this exterior feeling pulses. The air also is electrically charged and becomes like static. All you can feel is torrents of energies and odd sensations. After the experience it's very energizing weither it be exciting or terrorfying.

But my point on posting that, Is even tho what seemed like bad intentions could of been good. I don't know if they were curing that childs disease or other. And eitherway there isn't much i could do to stop it. The being came out during times when we would say prevoking statements outloud. Like we were saying outloud to hope to see a craft or something crazy. And then BOOM. Lights over the mountain, Oh well that was cool but we want to see more. Then it progressed further and further till it got to all encounters. I physically wasn't abducted but either they were playing a prank and pretending to abduct a baby they really did LOL either way it didn't hide it from us. Not the least bit. it was just chillin on the street. They then brought it back. We saw the alien again this time it was a black dog, then it hid half its body behind a garbage bin then teleported 20 feet to wards the curb facing the other direction and standing directly under white light.

So i don't think trying to shoot it would of worked. And they were messing with electronics so trying to film wouldn't of worked either. It was jsut like a personal experience for me and my friend. And then a year later i had anoter experience with a 2 different people and that's a whole different scenario altogether. No baby abducting that time tho.

Eitherway, i like the idea of being a ghost like shapeshifter. Piloting a super advanced saucer.
I could dig that.
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posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 05:37 PM
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originally posted by: johnnyBgood


All of the ancient god's were either a manifestation of Satan or one of his followers. This is why we have the same evil gods over long time periods and in many different places just with different names. Zeus was a murderous rapist and so was YHVH if you believe the Christian story. Satan must have divided up the earth amongst his followers and this is why we have inheritor gods like YHVH and Allah although I must say at least the Muslims seem to practice what they preach.

Only some of the Native Americans and other tribal type communities managed to follow the original teachings and avoid falling into the trappings of materialism that Satan gave to his slaves in the form of mechanical and technological advances and industry in general. All of these advances have culminated into nothing more than a means to observe, control and indoctrinate us. Some gift.

Since humanity is a creation of the divine we are inherently trusting and moral. This made us easy to fool by not so easy to corrupt. It is only in this new modern age that the tools for our total corruption have been developed and deployed. Sure there have always been evil, immoral and spiritually corrupt people but in general the average men and women stuck to their families and their morals passed down from generation to generation by family members, not a state education system.




You seem to have done enough research to realize that Christianity is one seriously messed-up belief system but not enough to realize that the "ancient gods" predated the Christian God and Satan. Perhaps you need to go back to the drawing board.



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 05:42 PM
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I should also add that I do not believe that God would ever want to be worshiped. Respected, acknowledged and revered definitely but not worshiped. That is the characteristic of a self obsessed ego maniac, (Zeus, YHVH, Satan) not the divine source of creation.

The same goes for any kind of blood sacrifice, that is a trait of evil, not a trait of the great source of divinity or his righteous followers.

This to me is quite obvious.



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 05:50 PM
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a reply to: AnuTyr

Your description of the feeling is quite similar to my encounter, although I did not experience or witness any shenanigans. My room just lit up in a warm orangeish glow and I was overwhelmed with emotions. Spirit fire is the only way I can describe it. It set my soul on fire and after that I had great insight for a time.

I would know when to take a detour to avoid a traffic jam or when to stop and wait at a door because someone was about to come through. It was like I had a real guardian angel watching over me.

How I miss that.



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 05:57 PM
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Well i was seeking questions to answers. And the questions were top priority dreams and goals.

I don't really like how society is and i really wanted to know if SHTF that E.T can save humanity from natural disaster or itself.

Those were the deepest questions i wanted to know. And i pretty much got that question.

Reguardless of what we think they are chaperoning our planet. That means the children as well too.
And i think that many children are visited by these E.T and sometimes it leaves traumatic experiences where people become afraid of the dark.

But it also gives us the belief of the supernatural, A truely molevolent being would do only harm well remaining as secret as possible.

These beings are the opposite. They directly contradict those statements by providing the beliefs for people who presently had non to begin with. Even if the encounter can be interprited as demonic or angelic.

It's the lack of either, When such an *Alien* force shows up and grabs you. Then you wake up on an opperating table and suddenly your in your bed with a really bad nightmare and scars you didn't have when you went to sleep.

I would like to think of those are the truely molevolent. When their presence isn't even known, only to those who are experiencing the medical experiments themselves...



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 06:08 PM
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a reply to: Tangerine

You seem to have missed that I am referring to all of the ancient gods including Zeus and all the way back to the beginning which to my understanding would be sumer.

They are all the same and they are all liars and pretenders to the throne.



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 06:10 PM
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originally posted by: johnnyBgood
What I do know for sure is that immorality is not liberation. It is enslavement to fleshly lust and material things and is the casting away of spiritual virtue and is also the cause of much pain throughout the world.


Death is not liberation, the light isn't paradise. I think it's a big lie.

It seems that our spirits can be harvested in a way. Not by the universal God but by lesser gods/demons like the ones you mentioned. They could be aliens from other planets and/or from other dimensions but I don't believe that they are creators more than a geneticist or a computer programmer are.

Could entities be harvesting the faith from believers?

Whatever happens, I want to break the cycle or leave this level of existence after my death.



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 06:13 PM
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a reply to: AnuTyr

Well, I suppose when it comes to angels and demons we cannot have one with out the other. So the story goes anyways.

I'm most likely done with this for the night. I will check back tomorrow.



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 06:17 PM
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a reply to: AnuTyr

Great post! Rambled but great.


In the book of Enoch, it talks about Cherubims and it seems to me like it's either some sort of space ship or a name for the pilots of those ships. I also mostly believe that aliens have been "manipulating" earth for whatever reasons for a loooooong time.



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 06:19 PM
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a reply to: theMediator

I don't know all of the answers but I don't like to think that there is only evil and that every intelligence just wants something from us. I have sometimes wondered however if this is the case. If not for my enlightening experience as a youngster I might well have given in to that idea.

I agree that there must be a better plain of existence either in a restored earth, humanity or just in a higher dimension where all evil and selfishness has been overcome and replaced with pure love, light and true intelligence which I believe are one in the same.



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 07:09 PM
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originally posted by: johnnyBgood
a reply to: Tangerine

You seem to have missed that I am referring to all of the ancient gods including Zeus and all the way back to the beginning which to my understanding would be sumer.

They are all the same and they are all liars and pretenders to the throne.



No, I didn't miss that. You missed the part about the CHristian God and Satan being figments of the human imagination after that time period not before. Humans have existed for 150,000 to 200,000 years. Monotheism was preceded by polytheism which was preceded by shamanism which was preceded by animism.

For some reason you have decided that all human religious beliefs are crap except for your beliefs about God and Satan. On what do you base that presumption?



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 07:10 PM
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originally posted by: theMediator

originally posted by: johnnyBgood
What I do know for sure is that immorality is not liberation. It is enslavement to fleshly lust and material things and is the casting away of spiritual virtue and is also the cause of much pain throughout the world.


Death is not liberation, the light isn't paradise. I think it's a big lie.

It seems that our spirits can be harvested in a way. Not by the universal God but by lesser gods/demons like the ones you mentioned. They could be aliens from other planets and/or from other dimensions but I don't believe that they are creators more than a geneticist or a computer programmer are.

Could entities be harvesting the faith from believers?

Whatever happens, I want to break the cycle or leave this level of existence after my death.


On what do you base these beliefs?







 
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