How to spot a psychopath

a reply to: pl3bscheese

READ my friend, I never said that p's are criminal per se but dangerous! Do you actually have an inkling about what psychopathy is about?

Listen to Fallon's interviews, including about his sense of revenge and his disregard for other's safety. Or not.

a reply to: QueenofWeird

I obviously know much more than you, and will leave you to your ignorance.

It's pretty easy for most other members to spot.

No reason to feed you here.

For those interested in a primer on psychopathy I would recommend the book The Mask of Sanity by John Cleckley.

www.quantumfuture.net...

Now, don't let the hokey quantumfuture site scare you away, in the words of Wikipedia:

The text is considered to be a seminal work and the most influential clinical description of psychopathy in the twentieth century. The basic elements of psychopathy outlined by Cleckley are still relevant today.

a reply to: QueenofWeird

I have thought this as well for the longest time. No matter what you say or do, you're eyes will give you away every time. It's true for spotting non-humans, too. Except they are more peace or hate in terms of what you see in their eyes. The mean ones will have a look of utter disdain even when they are smiling.

originally posted by: Puppytoven
a reply to: QueenofWeird

I have thought this as well for the longest time. No matter what you say or do, you're eyes will give you away every time. It's true for spotting non-humans, too. Except they are more peace or hate in terms of what you see in their eyes. The mean ones will have a look of utter disdain even when they are smiling.

this isnt true.

liers are far better than you can fathom.

you cant understand because you cant comprehend the level some psychopaths work on.

With all the drugs to create individuals without empathy, excitement or life force, can drugs be misleading when reading the iris? Do the drugs given to children create this effect?

a reply to: antar

Sure meds can change eyes. And of course you need to experience the person in full action to determine what kind of person it is. But I noticed in the many pictures of serial killers (all p's) that there is something going on in their eyes that is either 100 percent empty or veiled with something else.

a reply to: TheLaughingGod

Yes he was the first one to tacle this issue and in the 40's !

a reply to: Biigs

The level they work at is: not having a personality what so ever!

a reply to: pl3bscheese

So why don't you tell me? Feed me

originally posted by: QueenofWeird
a reply to: Biigs

The level they work at is: not having a personality what so ever!

and that is why you cant understand them.

im not saying i do either, i just acknowledge the fact that i cant.

a reply to: Biigs

But you predict their actions: ruthless.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Tangerine

I can only speak to my ex spouse and the traits they displayed.

Hyper inflated sense of self-worth, superficial charm, manipulative and scheming, a habitual "last minute" person (as in I'm bored lets take a 4 hour road trip), complete lack of remorse or sense of guilt, pathological liar, continually sponging off others (living quarters, money, food, etc), highly sexualized and active, and the list goes on. Each trait alone may not, and usually doesn't, mean much. But when they all start being displayed in one person, it's usually indicative.

Yes I know that most of what I listed would take time, at least some time, to figure out but after seeing the switches thrown and the day to day lifestyle for several years, the signs were there within a month of meeting.

You seriously have just described MY ex. This is creepy as hell. Wow.

a reply to: sarra1833

I normally dismiss such 'superstitions' though I know of a few genuine psychopaths whose whites of the eyes are visible above their iris. There is also a cold dull look to their eyes, lacking sparkle and their personalities are often very chaotic, as if attempting distracting attention from seeing them as they really are. In a room when they are there there is a feeling of unease. They aren't calming at all, nor warm.

Their traits are obvious, everything they say is about themselves, their blatant egocentric views are clearly discernable. They also don't seem to show any care about deliberately copying others. An example, I wore some small pinned back braids in my hair, as I do when my hair gets a certain length, a day after seeing me wearing them, a certain egotistical person known for psychopathic behaviour, put a pinned braid in their hair, there are lots of examples of such behaviour from that person.

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

I worked with such a creature.... needless to say she f-ed me and took over my job. Ha!

a reply to: QueenofWeird

I'll give you something to chew on. What we see of "psychopaths" is clinical cases, usually individuals who are incarcerated. The only brain scan supposedly confirming "psychopathy" of an otherwise seemingly healthy individual is James Fallon. Have you seen his credentials? The guy helps.

James Fallon

Check out the links provided on that page. This one in particular stuck out.

Creative Leaps

We are learning specialists, performing artists, scientists and renewal partners working in the corporate and educational arenas. Our clients are leading Fortune 500 companies, centers for leadership and professional development (including the Center for Creative Leadership), research institutions, Federal agencies, colleges and universities, and centers for teacher training and renewal. Major corporations including General Electric, IBM and Fannie Mae as well as top government agencies from the White House to the Social Security Administration have recruited Creative Leaps International for keynote presentations and professional learning initiatives aimed at catalyzing executive thinking, renewal and change.

He's on the board of director's at that non-profit organization. That's right, he chooses to propel his career further while helping other individuals. His "ruthlessness" has been channeled into pro-social activities. Where's that evil you are harping about? All I see is a human being going through life dealing with the cards he's been dealt in an environment that may reward his innate tendencies if he is intelligent enough to work within society. Well he is.

James H. Fallon, Ph.D., is Professor of Anatomy and Neurobiology at the University of California, Irvine. Dr. Fallon is a Sloan and NIH RCDA Research Scholar, a Senior Research Fulbright Fellow (Africa), and holds Doctoris Honoris and Research Excellence and Teaching Awards from multiple institutions. He was the first to discover a characterized growth factor in the mammalian brain (1984) and the first to demonstrate how to mobilize significant numbers of adult stem cells and progenitors in the injured brain (1997, 2000) – a unique finding highlighted in the NIH Stem Cell report to Congress. Dr. Fallon’s lab localized EGF, TGFa, and bFGF in the brain, and Dr. Fallon is a pioneer in the study of the distribution of dopamine and norepinephrine in the brain. He has written broadly on schizophrenia, addiction, and the basal ganglia, limbic system, and cortex. He is also interested in the neural basis of creativity and intelligence, and in the nexus between art and science. Dr. Fallon received his training at St. Michael’s College (Vermont) and Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (New York). He carried out his doctoral training at the University of California, San Diego. At UC Irvine, Dr. Fallon has served as President of the Faculty and Chair of the Medical School faculty. He is an Advisor to ASA President John Cimino.

You're jumping on the fact that he has a particularly extreme psychological deviation, and disregarding all of the ways in which it may actually manifest in reality. It's petty. Yes, I've spent a few hours a while back now listening to his interviews. Are you surprised to learn we exchanged emails for a few weeks last year? He's an interesting guy.

I could say so, so much more, but you are not ready to hear it. Start here, flare up a bit, stomp your feet and say something along the lines of "evil is evil" , and get back to me after your psyche finally creates the complex connections needed to better understand the human condition to include your previously held notions of "evil". Evil is not separate from humanity, it plays a pivotal role in providing the means by which we may remain fit, and progress through time.

a reply to: pl3bscheese

Evil is not separate from humanity, it plays a pivotal role in providing the means by which we may remain fit, and progress through time.

Your words.

If I chew on this I will choke

You guys emailing? Ask him on my behalf how he prepares his revenge plans. I want to use them against the p's. Good idea?

originally posted by: QueenofWeird
a reply to: pl3bscheese

You guys emailing? Ask him on my behalf how he prepares his revenge plans. I want to use them against the p's. Good idea?

You have very little understanding of psychopathy. You're caught up in what the media and culture is selling you.

We have no more to discuss.

a reply to: pl3bscheese
But please....

www.vice.com...

He feels (pun intended) that Breivik (that nice spree killer) does have empathy! Right!

Please?


EDIT: ok, pretty please?

a reply to: pl3bscheese

There are variances in Psychopathy, many are social climbers and part of the illusion they try creating is in hiding their real selves, for example in 'apparent' acts of altruism but often the real motive is feeding their ego.

I spent 4 years working as a keyworker for somewhere that houses ex offenders, some of which were schedule 1. I have done training on it and read their crime reports and Psychological profiles, attended their Psychiatric evaluations etc.

crime.about.com...

There are different degrees of psychopathic behavior and different types including the sexual psychopath and the work psychopath. Most studies indicate that there are no conventional methods available which cures psychopathic behavior. On the contrary, when conventional methods have been used, the psychopath becomes empowered, and reacts by improving their cunning, manipulative methods and their ability to conceal their true personality, even from trained eyes.

Since the psychopath has no real emotions, they develop their own personality throughout their life by mimicking those around them. Their inability to control inappropriate outburst of anger and hostility often results in loss of jobs, disassociation with friends and family and divorce. This in itself is filtered by the psychopath into a justification process for more aggressive behavior.

Because of their inability to gauge when their actions are being perceived as dishonest, deceitful or dangerous, they also fail to accept that there are consequences for their actions. They always maintain a belief that they can outwit those who pursue them and that they will never be caught. Once caught, they believe they will find a way back out.

bullyonline.org...

A serial bully could be anyone. They are attracted to positions of authority, but not everyone in authority is a serial bully, and not every serial bully is in a position of authority. They cannot be identified by their status, but by their actions.

(This example is a male, but a bully can also be female.) He gives the impression that he must have cheated his way into his role with over-embellished or false information on his application, smooth-talking his way through the interview, because he seems to lack relevant competence for his role, substituted by an over-developed ego and sense of entitlement. Just like the old saying that you can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, some regard this character as smooth and accomplished, and yet, to others he seems to be grossly incompetent and gets irritated when he doesn't get what he wants. His behaviour is is often insensitive and unintelligent, but he appears to have no idea and is equally unaware of the effect of his behaviour on others.

To some, he appears to be fuelled by anger and aggression, but he can control the outward signs much of the time and especially in front of the people he thinks he needs to impress. He vents his anger on those who do not matter to him, or on people he is actively trying to undermine. Consequently, these people are the first to see behind his facade of charisma.