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originally posted by: JBRiddle
I highly advise everyone to keep things peaceful. Because if they turn violent expect thing to go down like what the Korean Store owners did in the L.A. Riots.
A retreating person doesn't cease to be a threat. There's any number of reasons one could have for retreating. Beyond that, just because somebody is running from YOU doesn't mean they're not still a threat to the community and other people
originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: loveguy
Short answer: wilson didn't have one. On top of that, if Brown was already 25 feet away and continuing to gain distance, he's already at the max ranger for a taser. And given that he hadn't been searched, Wilson had no way of knowing whether he was armed or not.
originally posted by: loveguy
a reply to: Boadicea
"in the pagelink i didn't see how to handle a retreating perpetrator...
b/c if perp retreats, whatever was imminent has passed, and is not so much the danger as was initially presumed to be life-threatening."
Section 1a and b do refer to a perpetrator who has withdrawn:
"(a) He or she has withdrawn from the encounter and effectively communicated such withdrawal to such other person but the latter persists in continuing the incident by the use or threatened use of unlawful force; or (b) He or she is a law enforcement officer and as such is an aggressor pursuant to section 563.046 ;"
But if you go to Section 563.046, while it is very specific, it also says these statues do not take effect until January 2017. So I'm not sure the specific standards for LEOs right now is; or perhaps there are none now. In which case, when and how were these statutes established?
"the ethical thing was extended when he asked to be forgiven?
if he is a human that made a human mistake ands admits it; would be the course I would take."
I would agree; but I don't think our ethics count. What should count is our inalienable right to life, and the proper administration of law enforcement -- in other words, the goal of the law enforcement officer should always be to detain and arrest. Killing someone should never be the ultimate goal.
"i wonder if he wished he had just tazed the guy?"
No doubt. My heart goes out to Officer Wilson. Unless he's a completely sociopathic monster, the coulda-woulda-shouldas have already begun to torment him. Even if he did everything by the book, man's law will never trump natural law, and under natural law, killing is wrong.
There are no winners here.edit on 22-11-2014 by Boadicea because: (no reason given)
(I'm sorry -- I'm having trouble formatting correctly. I put your words in quotes, and my response follows. I hope it makes sense.)edit on 22-11-2014 by Boadicea because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: loveguy
You seem to fail to understand that current laws, or maybe we should say that current "old fashioned" laws, from your perspective, were introduced from a few centuries of factual knowledge of how criminals of all sort operate (for whatever reason they have broken the law). Society can not sustain social order if the human rights of the victim are ignored over some fallacious, high-minded argument that the perp's rights trump those of the victim. Humanity works on a basic precept that there is a very real and tangible right and wrong to serious acts that some individuals commit. To remove those acts from the area of "right and wrong" and place them into a philosophical plane that ignores the consequence of those bad acts is a discarding of fundamental rights to victims whether the actual victim or the entire population of that society which pays some aspect of that crime. In short, to allow those criminal acts to go unpunished or without proper redress is a general detriment to society as a whole as well as to the exact victim.
originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Boadicea
I am a police officer in Missouri.
You have any questions I can try and answer for you?