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The End Of Our American Way Of Life.

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posted on Dec, 10 2004 @ 10:11 PM
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Is there a conspiracy to degrade and do away with the way we live in America?

Are the political forces in this country working with the rich to downgrade our advantage and slowly pull us down to the economic level of the rest of the world?

Is our future to be that of South America , Africa , India?

If so , who's behind this conspiracy and why do they hate our way of life?

What do they hope to gain?

Can they be stopped before it's too late?




posted on Dec, 10 2004 @ 10:16 PM
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Yes and I think it's been happening for some time. Some label it a socialist agenda, I don't know who it comes from but everything since the sixties thats been changing and promoting pop culture is evidence of this. Why do we change fads ever decade, because we are on the agenda to erode american values and ideals



posted on Dec, 10 2004 @ 10:27 PM
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It used to be all you needed was a birth certificate!

Now you need a birth certificate, 2 photo IDs, a SS#, and a credit card to prove your identity and still you have to wait in line.

It's weighty charades like these that gives me cause to think things are going wrong fast.



posted on Dec, 10 2004 @ 10:34 PM
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I need input .

Does anyone feel their rights or situation is being eroded?

If so, how?

The insidious forces at work here are sutle , but moving along at goodly pace.

You might think, was I just slighted like I was a non-citizen and then you'll discount it and tell yourself 'Oh, I must be imagining things', but were you?



posted on Dec, 10 2004 @ 11:36 PM
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I remember when i was a child. It wasn't very long ago as i am now only 24 years old. I remember when I used to feel safe. Me and my friends at the time didn't have a care in the world and our lives where about self discovery and enjoyment.

I remember when i was very young and I would sit down infront of the television on any given saturday morning and watch shows like reading rainbow, Mr. rogers, & Big Bird. I honestly believe that it was by watching this educational programing that I was able to become an honor student and go on to Rutgers University.

I remember the news at the time only on about 5 channels but was nothing like what the "media" is today.


It is clear to me that the world is falling apart at the seems...
...when i watch my little brother only 11 years old playing video games where your goal is to kill as many people as possible, video games where it is you vs. the police force and murdering and breaking laws gains you points and victory.
...when i see the television "cartoons" that my little brother watches on a daily basis depicting violence & killing, disrespect of authority & law, and a complete lack of morals.
...when i watch the media and because i am "aware" I see the brainwashing that is taking place.


All of this ... AND MORE ... has happened in only the last 10-15 years...where will we be in the next 10?


It would seem to me that there is a play taking place here to destroy america by destroying americans. We have become a nation with no morals, no self-respect, and we are desensitizing our youth to live in a kill or be killed anarcaic world.

Who is to blame for this taking place in our own country, in our own communities, and in our own homes???

We are. We know that the devil exists and we let him into our homes through the television box.

I call on all americans to toss your tv out into the street. to just give up that one item and watch what happens. People will be bored. People would be forced to go outside of their homes and meet new people and in doing so the people would re-create the american community that existed prior to the 1960's.

TV wasn't always controlled by the devil, but it is now. Take back your lives. It is a hard first step, but i know how rewarding it can be.

we must do something, and this is it.



posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 12:05 AM
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I see this as part and parcel to their plan .

Constantly hitting the fear button . Gives them an unusual license to act .

It's in the news they show us, the ads they twirl before us, the shows they promote for us to watch.

A recent venue for their sensationalism is toys that attack and kill the recipient . Be sure to let kids under 5 yrs old watch this!



posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 01:39 AM
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No, the real force that wants to degrade the American way of life comes from extremeenviromentalism here in the US, from the EU, and from those that want us to "ratify" the Kyoto Protocol.



posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 02:58 AM
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Someone in another thread posted something a top Russian official said about the US a while back. He said that the plan was to destroy America, but not militarily. They would destroy it from within by destroying the things that made our country great to begin with. Then America would collapse inward upon itself.

Today we are being attacked from many angles. I know that people don't want to hear this, but our freeedom of religion is being destroyed. People like Michael Newdow, who wanted the words "under God" removed from the pledge of Allegiance. Groups like the ACLU who are constantly attacking religion and any other group that has even a remotely spiritual theme, such as the Boy Scouts. Violent TV and video games. C-Rap music that degrades females. Displays of freedom of speech, like flag burning, that go beyond the bounds of decency. Taking away parental rights, such as teaching alternate lifestyles in public schools at an early age. Removing all songs and displays that mention Christ. Giving more weight to criminals rights than to victims. Accusing anyone who is patriotic of being a neo-con. Elevating protestors who destroy property and spit on soldiers to cult heroes. Swallowing the line that violent protest is somehow patriotic. Making potty-mouthed jokes about our president in the name of free speech.

I don't think, as some do, that big business has anything to do with it in terms of an organized effort. There is no reason for them to do so. The efforts to destroy us come from the common folk, and it is the common folk who will restore this country to it's original greatness.



posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 03:07 AM
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I'd also like to point to the latest amnesty for illegal immigrants . They had a number of them of 5 million immigrants each, but they want to push thru another amnesty for illegals of 10 million this time.

You know it's Bush pushing for the immigration bill that would do that.

[edit on 12/11/2004 by bodebliss]



posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 03:17 AM
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Jsobecky,

How do ya figure it ain't the rich who would like to see America weak and dependent on them?



posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 03:21 AM
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Frosty,

I don't agree w/ Kyoto we would have to be fools to sign that.

You know though, most people don't want trash, let alone dangerous chemicals in their backyard.



posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 04:29 AM
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Originally posted by bodebliss
Jsobecky,

How do ya figure it ain't the rich who would like to see America weak and dependent on them?

Because a weak America ultmately spells extinction for the rich. If I had a team of Clydesdales that hauled my kegs of Bud, I'd get bettter performance by giving them a warm barn and plenty of food than I would from turning them out to pasture in the freezing snow.

Plus I never bought into that working class hero thing.




posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 07:29 AM
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I realize there are rich who will never leave the US, so they have a stake here.

The remainder will move and take their wealth with them w/o even flinching. These will in the process curse the country that born them.



posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by bodebliss
Is there a conspiracy to degrade and do away with the way we live in America?


Of course. Although I think that the degradation is simply an effect that naturally happens within society as time goes on and control over the behavior of those in that society become more extreme.


Are the political forces in this country working with the rich to downgrade our advantage and slowly pull us down to the economic level of the rest of the world?


Yes. But once again I think the downfall is more from the Political Forces and Others trying to gain more and more power and money. Their Self-Serving methods naturally bring about the downfall of everyone else. So their intent may not be aimed at destroying others so much as it is aimed at gratifying themselves.


Is our future to be that of South America , Africa , India?


If people continue to give responsibility and control of their body and minds over to others then eventually America will suffer in similar ways, sure.


If so , who's behind this conspiracy and why do they hate our way of life?


Everyone's behind the conspiracy in one way or another. Hate and Kindness are also found on all sides. They are Us and We are Them. Except that each one of us see the battle from only our individual perspective.


What do they hope to gain?


Anything and Everything they can and want or think they may want. Sometimes they may not even want it, but try and take it anyway just so someone else can't have it.


Can they be stopped before it's too late?


Good question. If it could be answered right now truthfully, then I imagine that we would basically, "Have the answer right now." Being that we are still asking that question and have no clear answer I'm guessing that means that the answer is still Undecided as of now. Which is actually a good thing too IMO. That allows for a Positive Outcome as well as a Negative One, so there is still hope for a better tomorrow just as soon as others decide to choose it. Let's just hope they do and if possible help them in making Wise Decisions.



posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 08:17 AM
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A question about the loss and downgrade of the American way of life and the knee jerk responses are socialists, liberals and communists attacking morality. :shk:

Well, considering the conservatives run everything and have at the core of their stated agenda repealing the 20th cetury gains under the New Deal, I'd say the main threat is an economic one to the middle class. Morality is one of those conservative red herrings they never do anything about anyway, while doing whatever they want to the dollar and the economy.

The original post had it right. The intent is a free market utopian dream to eradicate worker's rights and the high standard of living that the American middle class enjoys almost singularly in the world.

They want to deepen the gap bewteen rich and poor, and make labor cheap. Cheap labor and corporate profits are all they care about. The morality play is a smoke screen very few have figured out yet.

Bodebliss, if you're serious about learning more about what's really going on read the new book What's the Matter with Kansas? It's spot on.

The middle class, a product of liberalism, is on it's death bed. The values backlash is a joke. A meaningless dog and pony show designed to destroy the strength of the middle class by it's own hand and value vote.

I'm so sick of hearing about morals while Rome burns I can't stand it. These are truly dark days.



posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 09:18 AM
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I realize morals is bull for the rich. Bush would amount to a Pharisee Christian(mt:21:42) at best.

It doesn't add up the high oil prices and no push for a way out. There is no leadership in this country anymore.



posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by RANT
A question about the loss and downgrade of the American way of life and the knee jerk responses are socialists, liberals and communists attacking morality. :shk:

Well, considering the conservatives run everything and have at the core of their stated agenda repealing the 20th cetury gains under the New Deal, I'd say the main threat is an economic one to the middle class. Morality is one of those conservative red herrings they never do anything about anyway, while doing whatever they want to the dollar and the economy.

And the first time anyone speaks of doing something about morality, they are attacked as being from Jesus land.

Giving the working person the opportunity to invest a part of his SS contributions is giving him more control over his financial future. Of course the socialists, liberals and communists will resist this because it takes away some of their control of my money. Just one example.


The original post had it right. The intent is a free market utopian dream to eradicate worker's rights and the high standard of living that the American middle class enjoys almost singularly in the world.

And this would accomplish what? I don't buy this class warfare bit. It is just an excuse for losers to pin their individual failures on. There are more Ken Olsen's than there are robber barons in corporate America, in my experience.


They want to deepen the gap bewteen rich and poor, and make labor cheap. Cheap labor and corporate profits are all they care about. The morality play is a smoke screen very few have figured out yet.

How do you you propose to compete with cheap global labor? Close our trading ports and be totally self-sufficient?


The middle class, a product of liberalism, is on it's death bed. The values backlash is a joke. A meaningless dog and pony show designed to destroy the strength of the middle class by it's own hand and value vote.

I'm so sick of hearing about morals while Rome burns I can't stand it. These are truly dark days.

You can diminish the values and morals argument all you want. Do so at your own peril. It is why the left lost the election, and why there will continue to be a schism between the common man and the so-called elite in this country. Your system has never worked, and never will. Looks good on paper, though.



posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 12:27 PM
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Wellcome to the New World Order mixed in with a hint of dictatorship and a dash of tyranny.



posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 01:16 PM
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No one can tell another person what their values and morals should be. Seems like some folk are so scared that america is loosing its values. America doesn't have any values. Its a country--people have values. This country was built on the power of individuals with freedom--not on some vauge moral code laid out in the bible. America isn't going to fall because a woman has an abortion or a gay man marries the love of his life. America will fall if we give into the power of "collective thought" and mindless zombies nodding their head to the ignorance being spewed from today's pulpits. Its choking freedom and creativity out of our population. Without personal freedom--the right to choose to have a God or no God--America isn't America. Its hypocritical to claim freedom and liberty as our mantra while pumping moral policing. Don't tell me what I kind of music I can listen to and what kind of video games I can buy or what kind of movies are good for my children. Don't tell me what's good for me and mine. Live your's, raise your's--and let me live mine and raise mine. God Bless minding your own business.



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 12:21 AM
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jsobecky compared workers to horses which is more telling then he realized, providing food and shelter does not a fair society make. A horse is a work animal that is given the minimum comfort necessary to continue its usefulness as a labor source. The fact is it doesent take much to keep a worker productive like you said a warm place to sleep and something to eat is all thats required. Just because something reciceves the necessary level of comfort ot function does not equal a middleclass.

Besides capitalism is all about making the most money from the least investment. Explain to me what incentive a empoyer has to pay a living wage? If his competitor is able to make a competitive product for cheaper by paying his employees less what will happen? realize that not every executive is not a criminal but it only takes one to start a race to the bottom. Before you know it we're living in "The Jungle".

The sad fact is the American dream has very little to do with a global unfettered capitalistic society, which is what the world is rapidally becoming.




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