a reply to: signalfire
I can see where you are coming from and do understand and even agree with you to an extent.
The thing is we are not talking about arbitrary lines some bored cartographer drew up.
Borders and territory have been respected since prehistoric times. It is very much part of our human nature to mark out our territory and defend it.
Its part of survival instinct and what you argue is counter to evolution and human development. ALSO, There is no system in place even in the most
advanced society to just take in entire populations from other areas when they use up or exhaust their own natural or organic resources.
You can argue that they used to have this land, BUT since we are talking about Mexico here, lets remember that the last empire they had that was their
own entirely before the war of independence was the Aztec. They LEFT north America and settled in central America. The tribes that stayed in NA did
not just welcome them back. It would have killed them selves off to do so since the land and an ecosystem holds a delicate balance that you just cant
play around with on whim.
When the conquistadors finally conquered the Aztec capital the Aztecs actually left to go back to their ancestral land in southern California. A few
of these peoples integrated into the tribes that were there already. They did not make a new Aztec capital or even relaunch their society. The reason
is that there were already people there. The Aztecs of the triple alliance were originally from there but they left long ago. The tribes that stayed
were the masters of the land and they did not just risk their survival out of morality. It would be immoral to risk their own peoples survival just
because another group met with misfortune. If it was a natural disaster and not conquest that made them revert to their former stomping grounds the
result would have been the same. Not all of the new nomadic Aztecs were even able to integrate into the tribes of the north since they spent so long
conquering them themselves.
Why do I say this all? Because that too is part of history like my people coming here.
Its not natural to say that its required to risk our prosperity just because others face misfortune. Nature is brutal and tribal culture was natural,
and BRUTAL. Not noble and altruistic as we see it through romanticized western eyes.
There was land stolen, but those that survived that terrible era now are part of this country. The peoples of central America may have close
relatives, culture and linguistic family trees in the US, but they are no longer part of this land. Those Europeans that came are long dead and like
the Aztecs when they moved to their new land in Central America, we have become part of this land and its rightful inhabitants. WE ARE this country.
Now. They may have been here before but considering that all humanity was nomadic at one point you cant argue that in a modern world. DONT LIKE IT?
Build a time machine, buy an island and revert or what ever. NO ONE has a right to say that we have no claim to our home or a right to defend it.
If what you say was true the southern most tribe in south America could try to take back Canada and Asia...since they DID used to live there....and
crossed from Asia, so watch our China...Peru wants its ancestral land back....LOL Its absurd and you know that.
As far as our government being able to tend to all but instead choosing to spend money on other things.....you do know that Mexico is VERY VERY
wealthy in resources? Right? Their own government has enough to take care of their own and maybe even the whole of the USA. They just choose to keep
an archaic system of castes and colonial elitism that is VERY inefficient and wasteful.
The proof is that with only just making an energy reform and investing in their people, immigration from mexico is down...WHY? Because they can now
survive in their own homes. The generations of immigrants in the US came here during some of the worst times of corruption in their home countries.
The new ones have no reason to come for permanent residence. They can visit their families as tourists without getting citizenship....which they get
just because its more convenient when crossing. I have a Mexican wife and a new side to my family that is Mexican. I ASSURE you, people here try to
get citizenship because its better when VISITING. Few of the new immigrants come to the US like their great grandparents for the american dream and to
stay. They would rather go to school and get jobs on wall street or in medicine. OR go to Europe as professionals with proper Visas. People coming and
going are visiting their families that came here during other times and they come with no job skills and little to offer us that we dont already have
and cant put to use ourselves.
Other countries may vary but I speak to Mexico.
There is no reason why they cant just get a freaking VISA and travel the world like the rest of us. When I go on vacation I dont seek citizenship so I
can get through customs easier. Thats retarded. If I visited another country with stronger currency I would not try to work while visiting if its
illegal. I could use the money but I wont. Its WRONG to say I will follow the laws and then do as I please and justify it all the way with "poor me, I
am poorer than you, let me break your labor laws".
My land lord is fighting an immigration decision that made him forfeit his Visa over irregularities. He is now trying to get citizenship. TO VISIT HIS
FAMILY. VISIT. He has property obviously, is WELL educated in technology and owns a small business. Tell me why he NEEDS citizenship? He cant just
apply for a freaking Visa again?
edit on 11 21 2014 by tadaman because: (no reason given)