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originally posted by: XL5
We were promised flying cars.... this kind of thing feels like a slap in the face.
originally posted by: gortex
The technology you've used to post that response came from CERN , just because you don't see the importance of the discovery of new particles doesn't mean it's a waste of time or money.
originally posted by: gortex
If we are to secure the future of mankind we need knowledge of new physics beyond the Standard Model to escape this planet.
originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Xeven
Of course, Copernicus, and Galileo both wasted their time on a heliocentric model of Earths movement, and place within the solar system, because as you say, it made no immediate difference to the lives of people living in the period when they were living, breathing people, as opposed to dead and lofty boffins from yesteryear.
And I suppose Faraday and Tesla were just jokers, doing impractical things like harnessing lightning for their own sheer amusement?
What complete and utter rot!
Most of the greatest discoveries ever made by scientists, in ANY field, take years and years to reach the point where their implications are well enough understood to be applied to every day life! The improvements to shipping and navigation that a more accurate understanding of Earths place in the solar system made possible, were not implemented the day that Copernicus first pondered the possibility of an alternative to the Ptolemaic model! They were not even implemented when Galileo improved upon and expanded upon those points decades later, and they would not be fully implemented til after he had died, because of equal parts stupidity on the part of the sodding Roman Catholic Church *hawks, spits* and the lazy minded, change fearing nature of the human condition!
Similarly, the implications of the discoveries of those working at the LHC, will more than likely be some considerable time in becoming relevant to the daily lives of human beings, but I will tell you one thing. When that does happen, when people are using that kind of physics in every day items, for their every day lives and as part of their routine, they will look back on those who poo-pooed the experiment as singularly closed minded, and they would be right to do so.
The reality is that just as it was decades between the creation of the first computer, and the creation of the first home computer, just as it was decades between the Wright brothers first flight, and the moon landing, so it will be some considerable time between the discovery of these particles and the alterations to theory that some of them may require, and the implications of those changes affecting every day lives. However, to suggest that the effort is not worth it, without giving technology the time to catch up to new knowledge, is just the most staggeringly ignorant thing, one could possibly utter!
I think this is woefully inaccurate. The technology to create that message already existed long before any developments of CERN
The first website described the World Wide Web project, as well as how to use it to access documents or set up a computer server. Berners-Lee hosted the Web on his NeXT computer, which is still located at CERN.
The WWW software was put into the public domain in April 1993, and was made freely available so anyone could run a Web server or use a basic browser. And the rest, as they say, is history.
Most of the honest scientists at CERN themselves will openly admit their research into new physics will never lead to any groundbreaking practical applications
originally posted by: Diablos
This is a completely ludicrous argument if you're comparing the past scientific research that may have been considered esoteric at one point to today's esoteric research. It's a complete false equivalence, the primary reason being the fact that some guy experimenting in his basement had access to see the manifestations of electromagnetic phenomenon. Today, we need $10 billion dollar machines just to probe this new physics, and even if something extraordinary is discovered, it will have to reduce to the standard model for any scales that could possibly ever be accessible to develop a useful product or process.
In my opinion, particle physics is interesting and we should ideally fund it to have a much better understanding of the universe, but you're feeding nothing more than snake-oil to the ignorant public if you make them believe fanciful inertial dampeners, anti-gravity, or warp drives will come from that research.