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posted on Nov, 21 2014 @ 07:43 PM
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originally posted by: dr1234

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Or, rather than going into crazy conspiracy territory and blaming the "big bad wolf" that is the United States, maybe some people in China don't like their lot in life and protested to change things? Perhaps, just perhaps, China didn't like the fact that a huge protest happened and want to shift blame to someone that wasn't them. Protests can and do happen without "supa seekrit black ops CIA mossad infiltrations!". Looks at OWS. A protest that happened in the United States. Was that ALSO planned by these black ops people?


Funny you should ask... yes.


It's amazing how far some people enormously overestimate the influence of CIA and supposed "black ops" on changing outcomes.

And yet---CIA couldn't find Osama for 10 years.

In truth, the outcomes of states are determined 99% by their own domestic politics, and 99% of that by the people who live there. Outsiders are bystanders and will cheer and boo, but almost always, they're just spectators.



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posted on Nov, 21 2014 @ 08:29 PM
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I do not think that the US would push a plan like this any time soon, but that is not to say that they couldn't have already started laying the groundwork. That is probably a given. The tactics and the strategy itself is not new, and China is just as aware of it as the rest of the world. These same ideas have been used a number of times in the past, in some form in virtually every revolution that has ever occurred. China has experienced this firsthand, on numerous occasions stretching back through history. So the only thing that could surprise them is that the US would be implementing such a plan at the moment.

Another reason the US is not likely to engage in this type of subversive action to actually overthrow the Chinese government is because that government is too large at present, and their military forces are too large and sophisticated. The US is not keen on starting WWIII, or just an all out war with China, and will not back the Chinese government into a position where they will definitely use their military might to retain power.

You know why revolutions have succeeded a lot of the time? Because the military either did not support the government, or they were not strong enough to stop such actions. But China is a different story. I know for a fact that the US would not rely on a factor such as turning the Chinese military against their government for success. Yet what other options are there? So it is a lose-lose situation for the US and the rest of the world, because the US will not provoke a war with China and then go toe-to-toe with them just for the hell of it.



posted on Nov, 21 2014 @ 09:52 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Nothing new here.

We see it in china, Russia, Iran etc

Whenever internal dissent occurs those governments will blame outside factors. They refuse to believe that their policies or decisions can be rejected by their citizens. In their minds the dissent could never come from government action.

In the case of Hong Kong you guys need to understand why it happened. It has nothing to do with the us and everything to do with china violating the agreement of 1 nation 2 systems. When Hong Kong was handed back to china Hong kong was to be allowed the ability to vote for their leaders.

China changed it by requiring government approval of candidates. In other words china chose the people to run Hong Kong and told Hong Kong residents they can vote for one of the people approved.

That's what pissed Hong Kong off and why we saw protests. As for the structure of the protests you guys are ignoring the fact Hong Kong was part of the UK and as such had the ability to protest r speak out against the government. They also have access to things that people in mainland china don't, like foreign news channels that aren't censored.

China refuses to acknowledge they caused the issue by screwing the people of Hong Kong over on elections. So if the people of Hong Kong demand self determination should it allowed or does that argument only run one way?


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posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 07:10 AM
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originally posted by: DYepes
No world war 3 is not a big deal, because the American people and homeland will still be mostly spared and untouched. In fact, we usually sacrifice Europe and allow them to be the ones directly attacked in such a scenario. Sorry Europe, there is an ulterior motive for having you join us on these suicide missions, and that's to use you as a shield. Noone can touch the American mainland and that's just fact.

We will bring our peace and Democracy to the entire Earth, whether anyone likes or wants it or not bwahaha!!! I am only half joking here. Does it matter that China is on to our game?? they've known forever they were just playing ball until it came home to roost, as it did on Russias borders. I suspect the next decade will be an interesting one of the big powers uniting in an effort to cut us off economically, as everyone knows a direct confrontation with us ends with us winning.


A direct confrontation with China, Russia et al will end with the US in flames and conquered! Defenseless Iraq and Afghanistan were no test of military might. It comes down to a basic numbers game. No country on earth can complete with Chinese industry and Russia has untold natural resources at her disposal. They both also have enough nukes to flatten every American city and the tech to land em on our shores. A war with these guys is suicide, of course maybe that's the real goal here. Whether they openly say it or not a lot of the world would like nothing better than to see the US burn!

We stand on the brink of a massive war that will visit our shores without any doubt! Arm Ukraine and I envision a declaration of war within 24 months. Russia may come off as weak, but it will be the end of the USA as we know it.
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posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 07:37 AM
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I am aware of those facts, but the member I was responding to didn't mention those conflicts.


And it wasn't specified in the post I was replying to, also it only said conflicts and it didn't specifically say they had to be in the conflict alone so they were involved in the conflict called the Gulf War where they won by achieving their objective.



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 10:29 AM
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a reply to: MALBOSIA

We are talking about wars that are a means to an end. I think from Korea to modern day conflicts there was always an end game. TPTB need conflict as part of the global economy. They found after WWII that they made a lot of money but I really think the money is in mini conflicts that are not decided one way other the other.

If we went all out war we could have wiped Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan off the map.

War today is not war from WWII. That was a real war where all out unrestrained conflict decided the day. If anyone thinks we couldn't win any of these past conflicts they are delusional. It is restraint that keeps us from wining. Restraint because TPTB only let it go so far to to make sure conflict is always available to keep the coffers full.

There would be no restraint if the home land was in danger. We would use all means at our disposal to defend it. During the first gulf war we learned about the Stealth Bomber. That was 23 years ago. I can just imagine what they didn't show us or what they have developed since.

I think those in the shadows is where the real danger is but I am always wearing my tin foil hat and why I am a member of this great community. There is always a back story to any conflict and its never about saving humanity. Its always about money and power.

No, I don't see us going WWIII anytime soon. I think our power will gradually taper off. With the leadership we have today and most people voting without really knowing what they are voting for, we are doomed from within. Its a planned death spiral and it sure seems calculated to reduce us to the lowest common denominator.

Without strong leadership, the world is ripe for several mini conflicts and that is where the money is. All out war would make TPTB rich but sustained conflict that lasts decades is where the real money is.

People think we are one nation but that is no longer the case. We are balkinized by ideology and a nation in name only. We latch on to the next politically correct issue of the day and don't have core values or principals that guide us as a nation. We don't have a culture that is our own any longer. The lowest common denominator is the virtue we live by. People are no longer required to assimilate into the American culture and more often than not its because we lost our sense of culture long ago.

All China has to do is wait and that is exactly what I would do. Then they become the next super power pawn for those in the shadows..



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 12:08 PM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
China is onto U.S. regime change tactics



The 12 Steps to regime change, employed by the USm as outlined in the video:

1. Dispatch CIA, MI6 and other intelligence officers as students, tourists, volunteers, businessmen, and reporters to the target country

2. Set up non-governmental organisations (NGO) under the guise of humanitarianism to fight for “democracy” and “human rights” In order to attract advocates of freedom and ideals

3. Attract local traitors and especially academics, politicians, reporters, soldiers, etc., through bribery, or threaten those who have some stain in their life

4. If the target country has labour unions, bribe them

5. Pick a catchy theme or color for the revolution. Examples include the Prague spring (1968), Velvet revolution (Eastern Europe, 1969), Rose revolution (Georgia, 2003), Cedar revolution (Lebanon, 2005), Orange revolution (Ukraine), Green revolution (Iran), Jasmin revolution, Arab Spring and even Hong Kong’s Umbrella revolution

6. Start protests for whatever reasons to kick off the revolution. It could be human rights, democracy, government corruption or electoral fraud. Evidence isn’t necessary; any excuse will do

7. Write protests signs and banners in English to let Americans see and get American politicians and civilians involved

8. Let those corrupted politicians, intellectuals and union leaders join the protests and call upon all people with grievances to join

9. The US and European mainstream media help continuously emphasize that the revolution is caused by injustice thereby gaining the support of the majority

10. When the whole world is watching, stage a false-flag action. The target government will soon be destabilised and lose support among its people

11. Add in violent agent provocateurs to provoke the police to use force. This will cause the target government to lose the support of other countries and become “deligitimized” by the international community

12. Send politicians to the US, EU and UN to petition so that the target government will face the threat of economic sanctions, no-fly zones and even airstrikes and an armed rebel uprising


We know Russia is open about knowing it, but now China is also open about it.

Only WW3 can come from it, but that`s not such a big deal of course.


Great post. Yeah, the US intelligence services have a long and prolific career of executing regime changes through various means, covert or overt.



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 12:15 PM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
China is onto U.S. regime change tactics



The 12 Steps to regime change, employed by the USm as outlined in the video:

1. Dispatch CIA, MI6 and other intelligence officers as students, tourists, volunteers, businessmen, and reporters to the target country

2. Set up non-governmental organisations (NGO) under the guise of humanitarianism to fight for “democracy” and “human rights” In order to attract advocates of freedom and ideals

3. Attract local traitors and especially academics, politicians, reporters, soldiers, etc., through bribery, or threaten those who have some stain in their life

4. If the target country has labour unions, bribe them

5. Pick a catchy theme or color for the revolution. Examples include the Prague spring (1968), Velvet revolution (Eastern Europe, 1969), Rose revolution (Georgia, 2003), Cedar revolution (Lebanon, 2005), Orange revolution (Ukraine), Green revolution (Iran), Jasmin revolution, Arab Spring and even Hong Kong’s Umbrella revolution

6. Start protests for whatever reasons to kick off the revolution. It could be human rights, democracy, government corruption or electoral fraud. Evidence isn’t necessary; any excuse will do

7. Write protests signs and banners in English to let Americans see and get American politicians and civilians involved

8. Let those corrupted politicians, intellectuals and union leaders join the protests and call upon all people with grievances to join

9. The US and European mainstream media help continuously emphasize that the revolution is caused by injustice thereby gaining the support of the majority

10. When the whole world is watching, stage a false-flag action. The target government will soon be destabilised and lose support among its people

11. Add in violent agent provocateurs to provoke the police to use force. This will cause the target government to lose the support of other countries and become “deligitimized” by the international community

12. Send politicians to the US, EU and UN to petition so that the target government will face the threat of economic sanctions, no-fly zones and even airstrikes and an armed rebel uprising


We know Russia is open about knowing it, but now China is also open about it.

Only WW3 can come from it, but that`s not such a big deal of course.


This covers much of the whole Arab Spring situations: Libya, Egypt, Syria, etc. This is the MO.

I realized exactly what you described through rigorously studying in grad school the situations in Libya and Syria.

It seems that the western military and intelligence services have become smarter in masking their work, even though more people are realizing.

In the good old days like the 50's and 60's, the CIA would simply train rebels and have them overthrow the government, like they did in Guatemala.

Now, I think they realize that they have to demonize the government sufficiently to get public support behind the change.



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 12:40 PM
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originally posted by: mbkennel

originally posted by: dr1234

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Or, rather than going into crazy conspiracy territory and blaming the "big bad wolf" that is the United States, maybe some people in China don't like their lot in life and protested to change things? Perhaps, just perhaps, China didn't like the fact that a huge protest happened and want to shift blame to someone that wasn't them. Protests can and do happen without "supa seekrit black ops CIA mossad infiltrations!". Looks at OWS. A protest that happened in the United States. Was that ALSO planned by these black ops people?


Funny you should ask... yes.


It's amazing how far some people enormously overestimate the influence of CIA and supposed "black ops" on changing outcomes.

And yet---CIA couldn't find Osama for 10 years.

In truth, the outcomes of states are determined 99% by their own domestic politics, and 99% of that by the people who live there. Outsiders are bystanders and will cheer and boo, but almost always, they're just spectators.




It's amazing how some people overestimate my seriousness.



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 12:40 PM
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originally posted by: mbkennel

originally posted by: dr1234

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Or, rather than going into crazy conspiracy territory and blaming the "big bad wolf" that is the United States, maybe some people in China don't like their lot in life and protested to change things? Perhaps, just perhaps, China didn't like the fact that a huge protest happened and want to shift blame to someone that wasn't them. Protests can and do happen without "supa seekrit black ops CIA mossad infiltrations!". Looks at OWS. A protest that happened in the United States. Was that ALSO planned by these black ops people?


Funny you should ask... yes.


It's amazing how far some people enormously overestimate the influence of CIA and supposed "black ops" on changing outcomes.

And yet---CIA couldn't find Osama for 10 years.

In truth, the outcomes of states are determined 99% by their own domestic politics, and 99% of that by the people who live there. Outsiders are bystanders and will cheer and boo, but almost always, they're just spectators.




It's amazing how some people overestimate my seriousness.


shauny

posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 01:41 PM
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a reply to: DYepes

America will be bombed back to before the stone age...Only Israel stand with USA


Xcathdra

posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 02:49 PM
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China nor Russia has the force projection to be a threat to the US.

Wishful thinking by the ignorant.


AVoiceOfReason

posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 07:35 PM
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funny enough these are basically soviet style regime change tactics that they are using in Ukraine.. against a former KGB officer.


SheopleNation

posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 08:06 PM
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originally posted by: Donkey_Dean

A direct confrontation with China, Russia et al will end with the US in flames and conquered! Defenseless Iraq and Afghanistan were no test of military might. It comes down to a basic numbers game. No country on earth can complete with Chinese industry and Russia has untold natural resources at her disposal. They both also have enough nukes to flatten every American city and the tech to land em on our shores. A war with these guys is suicide, of course maybe that's the real goal here. Whether they openly say it or not a lot of the world would like nothing better than to see the US burn!

We stand on the brink of a massive war that will visit our shores without any doubt! Arm Ukraine and I envision a declaration of war within 24 months. Russia may come off as weak, but it will be the end of the USA as we know it.


Foolish mortal, you clearly don't understand reality. This is a battle for resources, and in the end ultimate survival. Russia should get on board, or she can perish along with Red China and her puppets. It's simple, there is not enough to go around for the greedy on both sides. This is the way of the World, the way of the natural world, it's called natural law.

Quit acting like the Chinese & Russians would not subjugate the entire World 100 times worse over if your nonsense about The West being vulnerable to them had any truth whatsoever. The rest of the World knows that at the end of the day, when compared historically, we are a much more merciful people.

However if the knife is ever truly raised to our throats, and I am not talking about desert rock throwers and bums in dirty night shirts hiding road side bombs, the response will be catastrophic. Thus here we have again, Natural Law. ~$heopleNation


Donkey_Dean

posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 08:50 PM
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originally posted by: SheopleNation

originally posted by: Donkey_Dean

A direct confrontation with China, Russia et al will end with the US in flames and conquered! Defenseless Iraq and Afghanistan were no test of military might. It comes down to a basic numbers game. No country on earth can complete with Chinese industry and Russia has untold natural resources at her disposal. They both also have enough nukes to flatten every American city and the tech to land em on our shores. A war with these guys is suicide, of course maybe that's the real goal here. Whether they openly say it or not a lot of the world would like nothing better than to see the US burn!

We stand on the brink of a massive war that will visit our shores without any doubt! Arm Ukraine and I envision a declaration of war within 24 months. Russia may come off as weak, but it will be the end of the USA as we know it.


Foolish mortal, you clearly don't understand reality. This is a battle for resources, and in the end ultimate survival. Russia should get on board, or she can perish along with Red China and her puppets. It's simple, there is not enough to go around for the greedy on both sides. This is the way of the World, the way of the natural world, it's called natural law.

Quit acting like the Chinese & Russians would not subjugate the entire World 100 times worse over if your nonsense about The West being vulnerable to them had any truth whatsoever. The rest of the World knows that at the end of the day, when compared historically, we are a much more merciful people.

However if the knife is ever truly raised to our throats, and I am not talking about desert rock throwers and bums in dirty night shirts hiding road side bombs, the response will be catastrophic. Thus here we have again, Natural Law. ~$heopleNation



There are plenty of resources man. We suffer from mismanagement. A population of a trillion should be our goal! Necessity is the mother of all invention and dear ole Dad is the most brutal struggle. A large population and a lack of resources guarantees mankind will reach for the stars and perhaps avoid the single point failure that is mother earth.

You speak of a world where the same fisheries that have brought many species that were once abundant to the brink, are not allowed by law to restock the same. If you divided the oceans up among all people on the planet every man woman and child would have some 6 billion+ gallons. The worlds energy needs could be met by fertilizing plankton alone and harvesting the resulting bio bloom for conversion to oil. Sure you may need to cull a few species of whales to keep them from competing, but all the critters big and small make sweet fine crude! The whole of the earth should be used for the single purpose of supporting human life, and a planet wide city should be our goal. We are in for the species after all! Mankind must master the natural systems it depends upon or face the fate of 98% of species that came before us. The fragile natural systems we depend on are doomed with or without us, and some day common sense will come into play here! Master it all, reach for the stars or none will be left to even tell the tale! Imagine the technology required to support a population of half a trillion people, a planet wide city etc... It would give our species a real chance at enduring. At present there is no hope whatsoever. The future is not limited to the ideas of today and unless they depopulate us to extinction future humans will looks at these times as an ignorant age. The only resource limits we face are self imposed! The sun will not fade out for a billion years. When it comes to oil we can literally go straight to the source! Using technology we have today, oil could be a renewable resource friend. What percentage of the planet is actually utilized to support human life? With oceans included its likely not even 1%. Try and get yourself a whale farming license or permission to release any juvenile fish into the oceans! A resource capable of supporting a trillion humans is completely off limits.

What's going on with Russia et al is a pretty clear. We are, at this time the world's largest energy producer and the plan is to be the largest exporter by 2030. If you ponder what stands in the way of this goal then all the conflict starts to make pretty good sense! Its cave man BS, you foolish mortal! You cant see the forest because of the trees!

Also it is downright ignorant to think that Russia and the world largest economy China could not woop some serious ass! Literally, we don't have enough bullets friend! Much less enough warm bodies. The USA would stand no chance against a modern billion man army! NONE!


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yuppa

posted on Nov, 23 2014 @ 12:09 PM
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Oh noes!! a billion man army!! Seriously. It sounds impressive i know,but the larger a army..the more vulnerable to disarray.
TAking out chinas leadership would be the first step in a attack on china. Decapitation strike to pyonyang delivered from tomohawk missile under the radar. Also. chinas army is not on the same level as anchient chinas armies. If you could switch them the old armies would do better than the modern one.

Still Numbers does not equal a win these days. You nuke those armies and irradiate the land making it extremly hard to move and supply them all with radiation suits and pills. You win against china by blocking the exits.


Donkey_Dean

posted on Nov, 23 2014 @ 02:39 PM
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originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Donkey_Dean

Oh noes!! a billion man army!! Seriously. It sounds impressive i know,but the larger a army..the more vulnerable to disarray.
TAking out chinas leadership would be the first step in a attack on china. Decapitation strike to pyonyang delivered from tomohawk missile under the radar. Also. chinas army is not on the same level as anchient chinas armies. If you could switch them the old armies would do better than the modern one.

Still Numbers does not equal a win these days. You nuke those armies and irradiate the land making it extremly hard to move and supply them all with radiation suits and pills. You win against china by blocking the exits.


An attack on pyonyang would see Russian and Chinese nuclear submarines firing on US cities! I suspect all US/Allied satellites would be destroyed in the first wave as well.





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yuppa

posted on Nov, 23 2014 @ 03:58 PM
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Did i say a nuclear attack in that sentence about hitting chinas capital? Russia would not help China. it actually is in their interest not to. Russia would love to annex more land. same as with the chinese. The Chinese leadership does not have the peoples support. If you killed off th e leadership china would instantly fall into civil war. Striking at the right time like when they are having the annual meeting would be the best.

Also china can shoot down a few sats but not every satellite. the us and allies have access to almost all of them in a war situation except those few countries.


Xcathdra

posted on Nov, 23 2014 @ 08:24 PM
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It speaks volumes when they defend the government of north Korea.

It gives a glimpse of what life would be like under a Russian Chinese led world.


victor7

posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 12:02 AM
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An attack on pyonyang would see Russian and Chinese nuclear submarines firing on US cities! I suspect all US/Allied satellites would be destroyed in the first wave as well.


There have been several attacks on Pyongyang, albeit in economic and political sense, but both Russia and China did not even a squat to help NK. So why do think they will help NK in the military sense. Forget about the attack, millions of NK people starved few years ago and China sitting on trillions of dollars in foreign reserves only helped NK in symbolic manner only.

Only near orbit satellites are vulnerable to a hit from the earth originating missiles. There are sats that are operating at 50,000 kms distance from earth and they are out of the reach.

I do not want to see Russia or China or India with their inefficient, corrupt and mostly lousy low quality systems be in the lead of the world. These nations do not even care for the majority of people in their own country so what they will provide guidance to others in the world.

US is not without faults either. Excessive spending on debt, poking noses into matters of other countries, promoting ungodly practices etc. are some of the real evils of American system.

Nations need to find balance in various topics to walk into the future.




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