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Prostition, Laws, And Developmental Neuriobiology

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posted on Nov, 21 2014 @ 04:28 PM
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originally posted by: Stormdancer777
so women being view as sex objects instead of equals is OK?

I guess I misunderstood feminism


Not when the woman calls the shots. The woman says "you give me this (money) and I will do that (sex)". Each person walks away with what they want. What's not equal about that?




posted on Nov, 21 2014 @ 04:33 PM
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SibylofErythrae Member Registered: 013131p://bSunday2012 Location: Mood: Member is offline. 345 9 673 5 30 posted on Jul, 25 2012 @ 03:58 PM link quote reply Ah yes. I thought I should add for OrphenFire - as an extension of what I was posting there earlier: Let me float another outcome for you about the idea that if payment makes more sex available for the guys who might go psycho for being turned down. If you monetize sex in society as a primary model, most of the men on this planet can't afford the "services" being rendered to them right now. You might want to think about what it would mean if women actually were thinking in these terms regularly.

Most men can't afford a ten minute bad blow-job from a cross-eyed syphilitic whore in anything expect a society in total breakdown

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Ha ha, that was a good topic, wonder what ever happened to all these people



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 08:38 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: grandmakdw


Truth be told, it will probably die out as a profession within 10-20 years as sex bots which are now quite realistic will replace prostitutes. Currently, only $12,000 will buy a good sex bot now with realistic skin. So in the quite near future this argument will be moot. (see a previous post of mine in this thread for links to good sex bots) Any lonely man who can afford a cheap car will be able to purchase his own sex bot and never have to worry about the current "underworld" again, or hope for legalization, he can have his very own customized prostitute, programmed to do his will and to his preferences in the comfort and security of his own home. They can also be programmed to "love" or at least show all the physical and verbal signs of love for their owner and the owner can have the unconditional love and all the sex they want, all for far less than paying a prostitute regularly.


I suspect the sex bots will only make real women that much more valuable. While the middle class guy may buy the sex bot, the very rich man will be willing to pay a lot more then $12,000 for a "real girl". It will be a status thing.

I knew a girl who was a high-price "escort" during college. In just two years, she made enough for all 4 years of tuition, a nice house and car, and lots of nice clothes. She was very beautiful, very smart, and very choosy with her clients. If I had a more outgoing personality, I would have done it.



I don't think sex bots will make women more desirable.

Just the opposite.

The sex bot always looks beautiful,
her "makeup" always perfect,
her breasts always perky,
she is NEVER moody or has to pretend (she has no real emotions),
her hair is always perfect, she never uses the restroom (which I understand grosses some men out).


A sex bot will become far more desirable than a real woman, who begins to stink after a while, looks horrendous when the makeup smears, has saggy parts due to gravity, frequently cellulite, has real emotions and has to fake them for the client (which there is always subtle tells on the face and in body language), menstruates at inconvenient times sometimes.

What man would want that when sex bots
are now at body temperature
have realistic feeling skin
have no "fake" emotions
never do gross bodily things, like have gas, or use the restroom or menstruate
never say no to anything always agree with the owner



No real women will become nasty and disagreeable in comparison -
after all who wants someone who is becoming psychologically damaged by interaction with you?
And even as some of you who have been in the business contend,
is not psychologically damaged,
has to fake liking you and fake enjoying themselves while with you.

It will make real women more desirable in only one way,

fear and pain, the sex bot feels neither,

so if the client needs genuine fear and pain to perform

then a real women would be more desirable,

that is going to be extremely hazardous to the real woman.










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posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 08:48 AM
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a reply to: Stormdancer777

Throughout this thread you have made compelling arguments about the hazards of prostitution,
both legal and illegal.

I have not commented, because I so thoroughly agreed with you that there was no comment to make, except, I agree, good job, which is a forbidden response on ATS.

Because you feel your arguments have been ignored, I want you to know that your research was wonderful and your posts spot on when you spoke of the dangers of prostitution. If I could give you applause I would. Congrats!
Sorry I didn't say this earlier and you felt ignored.



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 08:51 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
so women being view as sex objects instead of equals is OK?

I guess I misunderstood feminism


Not when the woman calls the shots. The woman says "you give me this (money) and I will do that (sex)". Each person walks away with what they want. What's not equal about that?




Because it is normally not "I will do this"

it is normally "you will do this for me" and I will give you money

Normally the John calls the shots, not the prostitute

Even if legal and "safe"
it will be "YOU do this to me"
and I will give you money
the prostitute can in this fantasy land of perfect prostitution
say no to the proposition

but it is never "I will do" it will always be "YOU will do"


There is no feminism in that.




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posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 09:44 AM
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originally posted by: grandmakdw
Because it is normally not "I will do this"

it is normally "you will do this for me" and I will give you money

Normally the John calls the shots, not the prostitute


Unless you are or have been a prostitute, you don't know how it "normally" happens. I do. You're wrong. The woman has all the power, IF SHE TAKES IT. If a woman submits to a pimp or a brothel or whoever, she needs to stop doing that. It's VERY possible for a woman to have a safe and lucrative career as an escort - who sets the rules - and protects herself.

There's all kinds of feminism in that!

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posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 09:48 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
Unless you are or have been a prostitute, you don't know how it "normally" happens. I do. You're wrong.

I've gotta ask if I'm reading this correctly .... does this mean that you were a prostitute at some point? If so, then I'd think your input on this would have a bit more insight on this subject then other opinions of people who haven't been involved in the business. Or did I read that wrong?

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 09:57 AM
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a reply to: FlyersFan

Yes, I was. For about 1.5 years. I said it earlier in the thread. You didn't read it wrong.
It paid for my most of my education.

Neither I, nor any of the women I ever worked with had any of the issues that grandma has been claiming throughout this thread. I've asked for proof of her claims, but she refuses to provide them, suggesting the onus is on me to prove her wrong. Eh...

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: grandmakdw

I'm not sure you understand men very well. I think most men who use prostitutes regularly have a secret fantasy that she will fall for him just a little. It's an ego thing. A skilled prostitute will make the man feel like he is desirable to her physically, mentally and even emotionally - it feeds his ego. He may know that it's not real, but for the time they are together, he can fantasize. Much harder to do that with a robot that you know has no real feelings.



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 10:44 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
Just checking. Like I said, you have some more direct input than the rest of us who are on the outside looking in. For the record - I favor legalization, regulation, and taxation of services.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 10:51 AM
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a reply to: FlyersFan

I know it's going to be different, depending on the situation, and I'm sure some women get into situations that they can't get out of. A street hooker in New York may be in a very dangerous predicament, when compared to someone who knows the ropes and can afford to be in business for themselves as an "escort". I think legalization would dramatically reduce the dangers. But ultimately, women need to be in control and know how to protect themselves.

I don't see legalization coming any time soon. But I agree with you. I'd like to see it treated as any other profession. Hey, maybe they'd even form unions! LOL!



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 11:11 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
Hey, maybe they'd even form unions!

Sex Workers Rights Organizations Around The World

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Nov, 22 2014 @ 11:23 AM
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a reply to: FlyersFan

Wow! Interesting. I had no idea! I do think this is important.



Prostitution is where sex and money and gender and power all come together, all of which are actually and symbolically some of the most powerful phenomena in our, or any, society. It is an issue on which everyone has an opinion, and generally these opinions are of their own feelings and experiences about sex and power, rather than informed by current sex workers or the academic evidence base available.

Sex workers ourselves are the experts on the industry, despite the clamorous voices of those who wish to speak for us, and who dismiss the accounts from sex workers that do not fit with their ideological positions.
Those who ignore our voices and dismiss the complexity of our experiences are part of creating the very problems they say they wish to solve.


Sex Workers and Human Rights




posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 07:06 AM
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a reply to: Stormdancer777

I speak of truth and reality, not feel good emotional rhetoric that doesn't work in practice. It may not be nice or preferable, but it is the safest for everyone involved.
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posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 07:13 AM
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a reply to: Astrocyte




So the next question is, why do some girls choose prostitution; and why are former sex workers, and people with an interest in legalizing this activity, so convinced that it is a respectable practice?


Easy answer to that one.

Money.

A prostitute can make in a night what most working girls make all week or all month at a normal job. Alot of them suffered some kind of trauma but there are many, many more of them that never had any kind of trauma and do it as a job.



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