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originally posted by: grandmakdw
women in legal brothels have no choice.
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This is not a "fun" profession or one most women would aspire to. Even if it were made the kind of fantasy you and other men think it could be, it is degrading both physically and mentally to women.
I have been to Amsterdam where prostitution is legal and walked the red light district. Bet you can't say the same.
"Good" prostitution is a male fantasy, the reality is normally quite ugly to behold and the consequences for the women in terms of their mental health, even worse.
Grow up BH. You often ask for sources, it gets tiresome.
Having been a PSY college professor for longer then you probably have been alive, I "just know" a great deal.
It gets really old looking up "sources" for you when you question what I say.
originally posted by: grandmakdw
It is not up to me to provide sources to prove I am right.
It is up to you to provide sources to prove I am wrong.
Holder of the burden
When debating any issue, there is an implicit burden of proof on the person asserting a claim. An argument from ignorance occurs when either a proposition is assumed to be true because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is assumed to be false because it has not yet been proven true. This has the effect of shifting the burden of proof to the person criticizing the assertion, but is not valid reasoning.
That is what I always told my students.
originally posted by: grandmakdw
Truth be told, it will probably die out as a profession within 10-20 years as sex bots which are now quite realistic will replace prostitutes. Currently, only $12,000 will buy a good sex bot now with realistic skin. So in the quite near future this argument will be moot. (see a previous post of mine in this thread for links to good sex bots) Any lonely man who can afford a cheap car will be able to purchase his own sex bot and never have to worry about the current "underworld" again, or hope for legalization, he can have his very own customized prostitute, programmed to do his will and to his preferences in the comfort and security of his own home. They can also be programmed to "love" or at least show all the physical and verbal signs of love for their owner and the owner can have the unconditional love and all the sex they want, all for far less than paying a prostitute regularly.
originally posted by: Stormdancer777
I don't judge these women, but I can't for the life of me understand why other women would find prostitution OK or encourage it, especially feminist.
Once the Netherlands legalized prostitution, magically overnight the pimps, traffickers, and brutish johns all disappeared. They were replaced by managers, businessmen, and Richard Gere clones from Pretty Woman. Prostitutes lined up outside of government assistance offices to register as prostitutes, pay their fair share of the taxes, and avail themselves of all sorts of government services to make their lives better, especially after incidents now classified as “occupational hazards,” formally known as “abuse.” Why didn’t this utopian plan work? This is what occurs when fuzzy, feel-good policies are promoted in the face of common sense and the dark side of human nature. Julie Bindel, in the U.K. Spectator, exposes the ugly truth of this epic failure. Since the Netherland’s grand experiment began in 2000, Bindel points out that women are still abused, the commercial sex industry is expanding, prostitutes are not joining the government-funded union created to “protect” them (because they are “too scared to complain”), sex tourism is on the rise, women are being imported (read “trafficked”) into the country to meet the increasing demand created by legalization, children are being exploited in the industry, and only five percent of the women signed up to pay taxes “because no one wants to be known as a whore,” even if the government condones - See more at: www.cwfa.org...
originally posted by: NavyDoc
I have to agree with my libertarian minded friends here. Consensual prostitution should be legal and the majority of the hazards encountered by prostitutes exist because it is illegal and thus driven into the world of crime. In places where it is legal, such as Australia, there is regulation to ensure that there are no underage workers, health rules, retirement plans, healthcare insurance, unions, and the ability to seek redress from the authorities if abused or misused.
War on Women Continues: UN Wants to Legalize Prostitution Posted on March 21, 2014 by SBrinkmann red light districtA panel of survivors of sex trafficking and prostitution confronted United Nations (UN) agencies and Amnesty International at the UN’s annual conference on women for trying to legalize prostitution. Reporting for the Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute (C-FAM), Lisa Correnti said members unleashed their outrage on agencies including the newly created UN Women for proposing that legalizing prostitution would provide safeguards for prostitutes and that many of the women who perform “sex work” do so by choice. Not so, said the panel, which was organized by The Coalition Against Trafficking in Women (CATW) and took place just as diplomats were negotiating whether or not to refer to prostitution as “sex work.” “Natasha Falle, founder of SEXTRADE 101 said upwards of 95 percent want to exit but need assistance. Falle, a Canadian sex trafficking survivor, has helped hundreds of women escape prostitution,” Correnti reports. - See more at: www.womenofgrace.com...
t a “choice” Living on the streets, Rachel Moran became a prostitute when she was 15 years old, and says she sold sex in Dublin and other cities around Ireland for seven years, when she was finally able to free herself from the sex trade industry. Moran, who recently chronicled her experience working in the sex industry in a book “Paid For: My Journey Through Prostitution,” said that “Legalization is unethical because prostitution is a crime against humanity.” She added that “to legalize it is to socially condone this crime. It is my belief that countries which have legalized prostitution will, in the fullness of history, be held to account for human rights atrocities.” Ayesha is a survivor of the sex trade industry in India. She said, “When people tell me that women choose this life, I can’t help but laugh. Do they know how many women like me have tried to escape, but have been beaten black and blue when they are caught? To the men who buy us, we are like meat. To everybody else in society, we simply do not exist.” Alma, another survivor-turned-activist from the Philippines, agreed and said, “Society’s understanding of human trafficking and prostitution needs to change. “In my country, people believe that prostitutes are criminals and buyers are the victims. This is wrong … We need to change this thinking and educate young girls about the abuses of the sex industry, to let them know that they do have choices.
Women are human beings, not commodities to be bought and sold.”
The number of Dutch children working in prostitution has increased dramatically over the past five years: from 4,000 to 15,000 according to figures published by the Amsterdam-based ChildRight organization. Dutch police says the numbers are much lower, but acknowledges there is a big problem. This week, a major conference on the global child sex trade went underway in the Japanese city of Yokohama. Most children that end up in prostitution in the Netherlands are boys or young under aged asylum-seekers – particularly Nigerian girls. ChildRight claims this group numbers some 5,000 children. But recent years have seen a significant rise on the number of Dutch girls forced into the sex industry. Among them are an estimated 5,000 runaway or homeless children, many of whom are mentally retarded. Another large group (also 5,000) are ‘ordinary' Dutch schoolgirls, aged 13 or 14 from a "regular home environment" who are lured into prostitution by so-called "lover-boys".