Why Women Are Seen as Sex Objects More Today by Men.

It's a two way street.

a reply to: Spruce

Well here's a fun little piece of information:

Sex workers(prostitutes, porn stars...etc etc) have a much larger incident of childhood and early teen abuse than children raised in healthy households.

I don't think legalizing prostitution will further debase women as the women who are involved in sex work have already been debased in the worst ways from an early age. Once they are grown it's a done deal. Creating another group of criminals who are just making choices with their bodies doesn't save anyone or help anybody either. If anyone has issues with prostitution they should focus on diminishing childhood abuse. You'll see far less prostitutes in the end.

originally posted by: Spruce
a reply to: Realtruth

Personally, I think legalizing prostitution would just cheapen and further debase women. They need to know they're valued for something other than their sexual wares.

So prostitution you are saying is just for women? Wouldn't that be a one sided stance?

Although typically females have been the ones that sold their services, men do this as well these days.

You are also saying that if someone makes a choice to sell sex, then they are debased or cheap?

Wouldn't this be the same mindset and attitude that men call women "whores".

In places where prostitution is legal at least the people (men and women) have the protection of the state, or country they are in. Selling sexually services then becomes a valid form of doing business and over time people will consider it a normal form of business, hence then they are not illegal, immoral whores for selling themselves.

a reply to: OrphanApology

Further feeding the dysfunction is foolish. As human beings the end goal should be to heal the sick.

Just say NO to prostitution.

a reply to: OrphanApology

Whereas I don't believe in legalizing it, but decriminalizing it for the working soul, and keeping it criminal for the client. And publishing the names of clients in all forms of media. And in cases where women or children or even males are found in this, full in depth investigations as to their lives, their current problems, who is selling them, for often they have a pimp. And the drugs and pimping go all the way to the top, to the elite factions. I would chew all the way up that line and criminally prosecute them, expose them, name them. It would be healing. Not forcing psychiatric drugs but providing a way off and lots of support, healing, courses, etc. But that would be a sane world.

a reply to: Spruce

Well I do say no to prostitution, but I wasn't abused as a child save for spanking. Had I been raised in a different household, I would be a far different person than who I am currently.

It is also not my place to tell someone else what to do with their body. A prostitute is to do with her body as she pleases. It is not the place of other people or laws to throw her in jail for choosing to do a particular action with a body that belongs solely to her.

If anything, legalization of prostitution would make it easier to go after exploitative pimps and potentially disconnect the profession from organized crime and violence.

originally posted by: Realtruth
This thread was not intended to offend, anger, or spew hatred to all women, but used as a platform to better understand each other.

Do you feel like it was successful?

originally posted by: Realtruth
We only need to look at the lack of respect between men and women on this thread.

Do you also see the respect between them? I have a lot of respect for you even though I ask pestering questions. Just to let you know.

I think some of my confusion may be that I'm not sure of the definition of "sex object". I mean, surely men know that there's a human being in there, right? I mean, I'm a woman, but I can find women very attractive and even hot. And guys, too. And I may even make comments to my husband that some would consider to be "disrespectful" because it seems I'm just looking at the physical. But I consider that to be a very natural response to a physically beautiful person. I think and even say things that I wouldn't say to their face or in public. But in the privacy of my home, I can get kind of crude.

Does that mean I'm seeing people as a "sex objects"? Because never once do I forget there's a beautiful person who deserves love, equality and respect under that attractive covering.

originally posted by: Spruce
a reply to: OrphanApology

Further feeding the dysfunction is foolish. As human beings the end goal should be to heal the sick.

Just say NO to prostitution.

So people selling sex, and people searching for sex is a dysfunction?

Why is it you think that people are sick from selling, or paying for sex?

If people respected each other then neither should be a problem, if they are consenting adults.

The problem is the act of sex has become something disgusting, and vile if it's outside a marriage, or a traditional relationship, hence the hateful terms and mindset that accompany prostitution.

The dysfunction is not in the act, but in the mindset.

a reply to: Unity_99

If two adults come together and one decides to pay for sex and the other agrees to have sex for money, they are adults and that decision is theirs. Their bodies are theirs to do with as they please. It is not my place or the government's place to tell two adults what to do with their own bodies and money.

There is no crime being committed, just a strong dislike for the sexual act and circumstances behind it. Again though, it is two adults choosing to that with each other. If no one is being forced then it is no one's business but the parties involved.

I think that women who marry men for money are essentially hookers. Why does having a marriage contract make it any different? Shall we "expose" those men as well for taking them on as wives?

I don't agree, sorry.

a reply to: Realtruth

Excellent post!

originally posted by: Spruce
They need to know they're valued for something other than their sexual wares.

That could be said of any profession:

Engineers need to know they're valued for something other than their minds.
Models need to know they're valued for something other than their looks.
Baseball players need to know they're valued for something other than their physical abilities.

Why pick out prostitutes? Like RealTruth said, we all sell ourselves.

a reply to: OrphanApology

Wanting to prostitute and doing it to survive are two different things. I don't think a woman should have to sell herself to eat. No one should have to be pawed by strangers to survive.

I object to prostitution. It cheapens all of us as a species.

Just want to add that this thread started with the perception and position of women in society and then went to the merits (or lack thereof) of prostitution... doesn't the very arc of conversation point to women being in an inferior position, still?

a reply to: Spruce

I never said I was for prostitution. But ownership of a person belongs to that person, not to me or anyone else. Just because I do not agree with prostitution does not give me or anyone else the right to tell an adult what to do with their own body.

a reply to: Baddogma

150 years ago the conversation wouldn't exist because I wouldn't be allowed to be a part of it(a woman).

Oh yeah and the internet didn't exist.

I say it's progress.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: Realtruth
This thread was not intended to offend, anger, or spew hatred to all women, but used as a platform to better understand each other.

Do you feel like it was successful?

Success these days is subjective, if I get people to communicate without pissing in each others cornflakes then I would say yes to success.

BH,

You should know me after all these years that I will spice a topic up, make it a bit ambiguous, and let it run it's coarse, before I tip my hand.

I also enjoy reading your pestering comments. , because they always seem to get everyone in a stir and talking.

I have been impressed, that this particular topic did not descend into an angry pissing match, so there is hope.

a reply to: OrphanApology

Yeah... progress ...as in "a work in..."

No doubt at all that perceptions have changed for the better en masse... but, boy (or girl), there's still room for improvement everywhere!

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

BH,

I'm actually impressed at the people that had the guts to comment on this topic, because they knew that no matter what they posted it was open to extreme rebuttals.

I appreciate everyone's input and manners.

Well except for Slayer's comment on the Raquel Welch photo. Man that was really sexist.

Thanks,

RT

Wait, what? o.0

Oh my...

Suppose the question is not just "what else is there for men to see women as", but the reverse as well.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: ~Lucidity

So if Benazhir Bhutto, RIP, got naked for a magazine you'd be thinking about her political achievements?

If Albert Einstein, RIP, got naked for a magazine you'd be thinking about his Physics achievements?


Good for you.

Right. Wouldn't phase me or the way I viewed them in the least. Their being naked would not take away from, distract from, or make me forget their real achievements, nor would it lead me to view them as less intelligent or more or less worthy of anything. Why on earth would it?

a reply to: ~Lucidity

That's where you misunderstood me originally.


I never said any of that pal.



My point was anybody stripping off & acting provocatively is only doing it for one reason.
Sex appeal.
So don't expect to be seen as a beacon of light just for taking off some garments.



I stand by everything I've said.

Man or woman.