Why Women Are Seen as Sex Objects More Today by Men.

originally posted by: Realtruth

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Today women don't need men for the hunting and gathering anymore, and they don’t need men to protect them. Women have excelled in the work and business arena granting them the ability to get their food by shopping. This new mode of living has also given women the power to purchase/rent a home or apartment (ie: Shelter).

Protection isn't needed anymore because laws, courts, and law enforcement officers there to enforce territory protections and punishment.

Women have also found a surrogate for their procreation needs, it’s called a sperm bank.

And with the advent of 2/3 of the divorces filed these days are by women, it only adds credence that women do not need men in their typical “Mans Role of Ages”.

www.divorce-lawyer-source.com...

With women continuing on with their “Roles for Ages” and coupled with today’s modus operandi, what’s left for men to see women as?

I would ask everyone to be polite and respectful when commenting, because this type of topic can sometimes heated.


Regards,

RT

(I commented out the beginning of your OP to cutdown on the text shown. No offense intended.)

So I think what you're saying is since men don't need woman and woman don't need men, at least as much as they once did, there's been a sort of change in how they treat each other. How does this work? Isn't it obvious woman are PEOPLE?

I was going to attempt a retort when something occurred to me. Could it be that men and woman do not rely on each other as much and so do not create the critical bonding early on in order to nurse a full and healthy understanding of each other? Instead what's happened is because they're more self-reliant they do not learn about each other intimately, and so prejudices and disrespect grow. This doesn't mean men and woman cannot learn to understand each other, but it's delayed and/or hampered by modern circumstances. For example, instead of leaving the house at a young age and finding a wife and having kids almost immediately, young men are going to college and starting a career BEFORE marrying and starting a family. So what would have happened at 18-24 years of age in the past is now happening later, perhaps 28-34. And because reliance on each other is increasingly reduced, the necessity to understand each other's needs is diminished. For example, the wife doesn't need the man for protection or to get meat or to do the heavy lifting as much anymore. Police and modern agricultural technology and machines have made men more redundant. This is especially true for people who make good money. There're lots of services for single men and woman with children.

I wouldn't say men and woman don't need each other, as they obviously can benefit from each other's help when parenting children or maintaining the house. However, the NEED seems to be less than it once was and more general, as it's less tied gender.

Also one final comment regarding the "delay". I think a lot of hte sexist remarks we see on the internet and in games is due to youth and single men who have not yet been married and exposed to the long intimate presence of a woman. Thus, it's logical they'll not understand woman, and, given impulsiveness and improper role models or parenting, may disrespect them.

I know in my time as a gamer I've seen enough disrespect and s*** talking to fill many libraries. Should youth be given a green light to act this way? I don't think so. Needs more moderating.

originally posted by: Kali74
Instead you choose to see women who do this as not an opportunity for something great, whether temporary or permanent... but as advertising, as cheap, as sluts with no potential for anything but being a outlet without feelings making it perfectly okay to yell lewd things, that should be saved for talking about after it's decided that sex is going to happen.

Kali good point, this is one issue I see today also and one of the reason I started this thread.

I saw and have seen the decline of how men view women, and vice versa but i can only speak from a man's perspective since I am privy to what men say behind closed doors.

I think another reason I brought this topic up was Nef's thread, in regards to some men's online behavior to women.

Another topic I see as problematic is they up surge in online porn and the content of it. I am not a religious person by rite, but do think that porn, and the way it is being sold these days, does a lot to undermine healthy sexual relations between men and women, in a big way.

I should have added this to the OP, but I didn't want to open up another can of worms.

a reply to: Realtruth

I don't think women are as safe today, and I think men don't show them the respect they once did.

a reply to: Stormdancer777

I don't think women deserve the respect they once got

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: Realtruth

I don't think women are as safe today, and I think men don't show them the respect they once did.

Storm you'll get no argument for me on that comment.

There is a great divide and I personally do not like it one bit. I don't think it's healthy for either party to be without the other, but on the flip side men are not getting the respect they once did either. And I'm talking about good men that actually do what's right by women.

Well sex in first class countries is made to be fun and has no strings attached. Our modern ways are just hypocritical and irresponsible.

Sex sells and it is used everywhere to sell almost anything. Promiscuity is promoted in music and movies. The pill is like part of the food pyramid for many woman.

The population growth in first world countries is stagnating and immigrants are needed to pay for the depts of the country.
I think its because people here (Canada) love money and comfort more than having a child.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Stormdancer777

I don't think women deserve the respect they once got

Peeple I find that statement disrespectful, because there are plenty of wonderful women in this world, so disenfranchising all women is what helps to sustain chaos in this world.

Personally I know women that deserve not only my respect, but much more and that is exactly what I give them.

This thread was not intended to offend, anger, or spew hatred to all women, but used as a platform to better understand each other.

a reply to: Stormdancer777

When did they get more (actual) respect?

a reply to: Realtruth

time, per defintition, always moves towards chaos.

I am a woman, I respect myself. Don't need you for that, thanks for a very fun and entertaining thread though.
See that's the problem, respect has to be earned. you can't have sex with every dude, because he wants it, and expect me to pity you, for doing that. But it's a sadly true story, happens a lot. Then they turn around yell rape and what not, just because they get drunk in nothing but their pants and just give it away, without even remembering. How am I supposed to respect that?

a reply to: ~Lucidity

So if Benazhir Bhutto, RIP, got naked for a magazine you'd be thinking about her political achievements?

If Albert Einstein, RIP, got naked for a magazine you'd be thinking about his Physics achievements?


Good for you.

originally posted by: Nechash
a reply to: Realtruth

There is no good comment to this topic. Sometimes, it is best to let your opinions fade away unless they should inspire someone else to impropriety. ;p

Unfortunately I believe you may be correct.

We only need to look at the lack of respect between men and women on this thread.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Realtruth

time, per defintition, always moves towards chaos.

I am a woman, I respect myself. Don't need you for that, thanks for a very fun and entertaining thread though.
See that's the problem, respect has to be earned. you can't have sex with every dude, because he wants it, and expect me to pity you, for doing that. But it's a sadly true story, happens a lot. Then they turn around yell rape and what not, just because they get drunk in nothing but their pants and just give it away, without even remembering. How am I supposed to respect that?

If people are so drunk that they exhibit irresponsible behaviour, which we can all identify, and other people deem it alright to take advantage of them, how am I suppose to respect that?

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Realtruth

time, per defintition, always moves towards chaos.

I am a woman, I respect myself. Don't need you for that, thanks for a very fun and entertaining thread though.
See that's the problem, respect has to be earned. you can't have sex with every dude, because he wants it, and expect me to pity you, for doing that. But it's a sadly true story, happens a lot. Then they turn around yell rape and what not, just because they get drunk in nothing but their pants and just give it away, without even remembering. How am I supposed to respect that?

I'll agree with you on the respect needs to be earned for sure. Given the fact that we live in a world where people see kindness, compassion, and love as a weakness instead of a strength, respect definitely needs to be earned.

On the other hand if we party, do drugs, steal, cheat, and lie it's seen as the status quo. We only need to look to many of the people in power to see this tragedy unfolding, this behavior is seen as strength, power and status.

Some people have mentioned that my comments and opinions in my OP make no sense, but with that does anything really make sense these days?

What I do respect about many women is their ability to use intuition, something that most men will scoff at and ridicule. Intuition is the 6th sense that never lies it and if we go against what it tells us life turns chaotic.

And thanks for your input on this thread, even though we may disagree on certain things.

Regards,

RT

I've always been a fan of the female... and sexual dimorphism in general... but it would serve us all well to remember the wizened old bags and shriveled dudes are how we all end up... if lucky.

People are people ...despite the very real differences caused by genes/culture... and treating them as you'd like to be treated (or being smart and figuring out how someone else desires to be treated IF different than your own likes) is the way to go.

But I'll admit to pondering the female mindset a few too many dark nights... and would like to give a shout out (old saying from the 90's) to the women in the areas of the earth who are still subjugated and terrorized by the old order of things.

The balance of power can still be a sticky wicket... in all matters human... even in our oh-so-enlightened Western culture.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: Realtruth

I don't think women are as safe today, and I think men don't show them the respect they once did.

Absolutely true, particularly where young "men" are concerned. An ethnic element entered the equation in the 90's that polluted the pool. Women now are seen as "bitches and whores" to be used instead of protected. This attitude pervades the entertainment industry, so I don't know how we can remove the negative influence.

Now before all the feminist’s and feminist sympathizer’s get their feathers in a bunch, please take a moment and read the entire post. I have pondered for quite some time on this topic, but have only recently come up with what I believe may be a good logical answer, and what I have discovered was interesting.

Aside from the MSM, Hollywood, and corporations that exploit women's genders for money, there is something deeper rooted than what many typically would think.

Women are the longest running group of slaves in human history. They have always been exploited for goods, services and politics.

Men started out as hunters/ gatherers, shelter providers, protectors and this role did not changed for ages.

Men’s Roles for Ages
Think about it for a moment, a man is geared to:
1) Hunt for food and gather
2) Provide a home/ Shelter and provide protection for his territory.
3) Insure his genes survive (ie: Procreation/Breeding)

Historically both men and women gathered food. If biology is any indication, both males and females are bad at monogamy(current theory is that the shape of the penis is that way to scoop out prior remnants of another copulation). Both males and females benefit from breeding with various mates to gain genetic advantage.

Women’s Roles for Ages, what a women is geared to:
1) Preparing food
2) Taking care of a male’s territory (cleaning) and caring for offspring (children).
3) Produce children to insure her genes were carried on

Human beings are not lions. We are social creatures with complex social structures that span back thousands of years. Our closest monkey relatives are Bonobos. If you were to compare us to any of the animal world that would be a good place to start. Stating that women's role is to clean, protect males territory(again we are humans with human social interactions not lions) and pop out kids is ignoring a lot of the complexities of what probably helped us to become intelligent in the first place(social life plus meat consumption).

Fast-forward to today’s society. Only in the past century has there been any type of major shift in the positions and roles for men and women, especially in the past few decades.

This is true because women are no longer slaves.

Today women don't need men for the hunting and gathering anymore, and they don’t need men to protect them. Women have excelled in the work and business arena granting them the ability to get their food by shopping. This new mode of living has also given women the power to purchase/rent a home or apartment (ie: Shelter).

Again, women are no longer slaves and are now more independent which brings with it a lot of changes. When you are not owned you provide more essentials for yourself as opposed to being required to get them from owner.

Protection isn't needed anymore because laws, courts, and law enforcement officers there to enforce territory protections and punishment.

Most of the protection in the past was from husbands from other men. Kind of a supply creates it's own demand type deal. While laws and courts are there as a backup to help women from various situations, most of the change has been in societies since women who are now not just property but people. An example of this would be how it used to be legal for a man to punish a wife by hitting her. Law is changed by society as it changes it's way of thinking, not the other way around.

Women have also found a surrogate for their procreation needs, it’s called a sperm bank.

It's also called a bar. Or if you want to get really old fashioned, a brothel. Nothing new here.

And with the advent of 2/3 of the divorces filed these days are by women, it only adds credence that women do not need men in their typical “Mans Role of Ages”.

Yes, now it is no longer about ownership so the roles have changed dramatically.

With women continuing on with their “Roles for Ages” and coupled with today’s modus operandi, what’s left for men to see women as?

Human

originally posted by: Spruce
Women now are seen as "bitches and whores" to be used instead of protected. This attitude pervades the entertainment industry, so I don't know how we can remove the negative influence.

Spruce,

You bring up a good point. And my solution to one of the comments you made is to legalize prostitution everywhere.

Whores imo is a negative term brought on by religions, and countless years of looking down on women that sell their bodies.

If a women is not forced into a life of selling herself and makes a choice to sell her body and services, then she should deserves the same respect as anyone else that is working for a living in life.

We all sell our time and body for money, some are just call "Whores" because they choose to sell sex as a service.

Maybe we just haven't evolved passed the old ways just yet.

a reply to: Realtruth

Even creating this thread and you admitting you been thinking about this for a long time.....does this not continue to maintain the sterotype?

A long time ago, I stopped thinking of any separation between the sexes. Maybe its just me....but it seems your continuing here in the opposite direction.

i know its just a discussion, but still.....???????

a reply to: Realtruth

Personally, I think legalizing prostitution would just cheapen and further debase women. They need to know they're valued for something other than their sexual wares.