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originally posted by: josehelps
a reply to: kayej1188
Well not at all. Opinions don't shoot me down. I know you guys are used to living in the world of pseudo science where you believe whatever can be imagined must be possible like theory's, but I tend to stick more to facts.
Accept defeat of WHAT exactly?
No one has presented anything credible that proves I'm otherwise wrong.
Clearly you have not been paying attention. What YOU have is a belief. You have a theory which is pseudo science backed up by nothing other than there are changes that occur in DNA. That doesn't prove anything. What I stumbled onto was about 87 facts proving not only how we got here, but what we were before damage was dealt to us. Now I don't know how you feel about confirmation bias, but it looks to me like that is all Evolution is based on.
For example, which ever fool it was that magically decided to claim that adaptation is all part of the package of Evolution failed to realize that it negates Evolution.
The difference here between Evolutionists just grabbing onto anything they can to try to structure a theory and the facts that I found, is that the subject I'm talking about doesn't have ambiguous meaning, which is the largest portion of religion. You're simply reflecting an attitude off me that I fall into that same category of bible thumpers, which I don't. Yes I believe everything happened in the bible, but what you don't realize is that what you know that's claimed to have happened and what I know that's claimed to have happened are clearly two different things.
And I can tell you struggle with this as you keep referring to it as my belief.
Intervention is the understanding that we were brought to this planet by another life form, against our will. It's not a religion, not a faith, not a cult, not a belief, not a practice, not a church, not a following, not a theory, not a hypothesis, it's certainly not a joke, it's simply an understanding based on redundant facts. This understanding can only be realized if you have a plethora of years in the study of the supernatural, and have a keen eye for spotting activity in stories, even if the author doesn't. Of course the best source for this information is several versions of the bible, in addition to the facts that concur in science. Lets be sure I'm clear on this. Lets pretend for the moment that you know nothing about math, and let's say that I present you with a problem that says four times four. Now lets say that this subject is seriously something you want to understand, as this is about your lineage. You might even come up with some ideas as to what it means. But there is seriously no way you're going to guess what it all means.
So you settle with the best understanding you can (which actually doesn't result in making any sense by itself), and now you have just explained today's religion. So I tell you this equation equals "sixteen." Would you, could you, indicate that what I'm presenting to you is surely my belief? You could, but you're out of context. If I understand it, and you don't, that doesn't constitute it being a belief, it's an understanding based on redundant facts. A belief implies that I have an opinion or a faith, you will soon realize this is nothing like that. I understand the supernatural extremely well. Of course, what this means in English is that 99.99% of the people reading, preaching, worshiping, the bible, don't understand it. Now I hope you understand why trying to label this anything other than an understanding is obviously incorrect. My goal is to open your eyes to the reality of what has happened, and what's been done to us. I will explain matters that I know you otherwise might not understand. If you or anyone you know, is highly familiar with both the supernatural and the paranormal (as they are frequently confused with one another) and don't agree with anything I'm presenting here, or If for some reason you peruse this whole website, and feel that the eighty seven or so examples that I'm presenting, are nothing more than sheer coincidence, I welcome your feedback of course. In addition, if you're just not getting something, I will respond back with a more detailed explanation.
You might wonder, why in the world would anyone try to understand the bible through the supernatural perspective. Perhaps it's the bible being prefaced as dealing with the supernatural, which actually means if you don't have that experience, your not qualified to understand it. In addition, we have no other books to compare it to. Perhaps it's the thirty four versus in the bible about aliens. Perhaps it's the Ezekiel chapter where Sky Daddy comes down from the sky's to visit us in his space craft. Maybe it's all of the activity mentioned in the bible that match with our reported alien encounters. Maybe it's the documentation of advanced technology used in the bible. Perhaps it's the mentioning in Hebrews that Earth is not our home, obviously meaning we are aliens to this planet. Heaven is a planet, not a place you end up when you die. If the bible was meant for dead people, they would have it, not us. Several years ago, while researching the Ezekiel chapter, I made contact with one of the pastors at the Union Gospel Mission, here in my home town. I shared some of my findings with him, and asked him if it were possible that God was a space alien. His response revealed, that it's entirely possible.
originally posted by: josehelps
a reply to: WakeUpBeer
Sure if you think you can find a lab that can do full recovery on 900 year old remains for less than a mill.
originally posted by: ProfessorChaos
As a general rule of thumb, any thread title containing one, or more, of the following words: "Proof", "Truth", "Evidence", "Undeniable", or "Irrefutable" (I think you get the point), can be disregarded almost out-of-hand.
For qualification, I am a Christian, I do not agree with Evolution at all, and I've seen more than my share of Bible bashing/thumping on ATS during my stay.
There will never be a middle ground between these two particular camps, as much as some would like there to be, and seeking such middle ground, while commendable from a humanitarian view, is pointless. There is just as much venom on the side of the Anti-Christians, for Christianity, as there is on the side of Christians, for Anti-Christianity.
A post cannot be made on this site in favor of one, without someone from the other, attacking them (rather than the post). Even a somewhat pro-Christian post is met with "Well, I don't believe in fairy tales, and bearded sky wizards" remarks, and when a pro-Evolution statement is made, it's met with the inevitable Bible verse-spouting spittle, that rarely has any bearing on the discussion at hand, much like its counterpart.
I've taken to avoiding commentary that I find to be contentious with my beliefs (and the posters who usually make such remarks). Why? The answer is simple: By the time you could make progress by beating your head against a brick wall, you'd be dead, so what's the point?
originally posted by: Quadrivium
You post a link for me that you stated "proved" the mutation rates in humans. Like it or not the paper IS based on assumption and they used that assumption to base the mutation rate on.
You asked me to show you the assumption in the paper and that is what i did. Now you are saying i have not "addressed your points". I never said that mutations did not happen in humans, nor did i say they could not be measured. I also never said that those mutations could not add up. I told you that it very well could happen. My point was that it is more of a faith based idea as the evidence is lacking. You are being dishonest at this point.
originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Awesome krazyshot! If you read back through my post that is basically all I have been doing. I have stated many times that macro evolution could have happened, but we have no real evidence for it. When I make statements like that it ruffles peoples feathers, yet it's true.
I look at it this way......... By saying "This is fact, this is the way it happened" We are removing the questions, we are taking away the mystery.
Humans thrive on questions. We should never be lulled into a comfortable state of "knowing" because on a whole we knowvery little.
I have a saying, you may have read it before in another post:
"All that we know is but a drop in the oceans of knowledge we still have to learn".
We take ideas from one another and build on them yet we should never stop questioning those ideas.