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The US Senate failed to get the 60 votes needed to break a filibuster and move forward with the USA Freedom Act, which would have placed significant restrictions on the way the National Security Agency's conducts surveillance domestically.
enior Republicans said stopping the surveillance would benefit enemies of the United State, including Islamic State militants, according to Reuters.
"God forbid that tomorrow we wake up to the news that a member of ISIL is in the United States," said Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), according to the Huffington Post. If the NSA cannot track phone calls, he said, "that plot may go forward -- and that would be a horrifying result."
"Let's not have another repeat of 9/11," added Sen. Dan Coats (R-Ind.).
However, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) said there has been no evidence to suggest that the NSA's surveillance program prevented a terrorist attack on the US.
"If this was important to stop ISIL, ISIL never would have started," he said.
The bill, now effectively dead for this year, would have stopped the NSA from collecting the phone records of millions of Americans who are not suspected of any crime. The reforms are unlikely to be reviewed when the new Congress convenes in January, but the controversial surveillance program will most likely be debated next year as Congress decides whether to renew the Patriot Act, which serves as the foundation for the NSA's activity.
If passed into law, the bill would have placed metadata records – information such as the time a call was made and the duration of the call, but not the actual content of the call itself – in the possession of telephone companies instead of the NSA. If intelligence agencies wanted access to the data, they would have to seek approval from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA).
The bill would also allow public advocates to participate in Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) proceedings. Additionally, the government would be required to disclose FISA opinions and statistics about the extent of domestic spying activities, though these could be withheld if they posed a risk to national security.
originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: Walsh
So OP you are against liberty and freedom.......Did you even understand what this bill was about? The PTB won by this bill not passing.
originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: Walsh
This bill was in fact trying to gain back some liberty and freedom OP. The patriot act already ripped a huge hole in the fabric of liberty this bill was trying to sew it back together a little bit.
It is good to understand what you are talking about before posting a thread.......I know that sounds harsh but it is the truth.
If passed into law, the bill would have placed metadata records – information such as the time a call was made and the duration of the call, but not the actual content of the call itself – in the possession of telephone companies instead of the NSA. If intelligence agencies wanted access to the data, they would have to seek approval from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA).
so basically its giving them the "OK" to take an monitor data ?
originally posted by: 4444Winds
What they have set out to do they will do regardless of political turbulence along the way. When other things fail, enter the false flag or other overriding pretext. It seems they have a whole plethora of potential special fx to start the final cycle. Not one thing is reliant on the US Government they are impotent, they couldn't protect their own "freedom", totally useless, pawned, bought, a brothel, a puppet show, as good as done. They are now part of the distraction play with the rest of the global national governments being governed mostly by super-corporate global finance powers assisting Anglo-American empire expansion regardless what happens to the nation-state.
The more indebted, middle class broken and profiled and surveillanced America becomes, the better for the global empire expansion which is the overall goal. All the national powers are in some variation of the same stranglehold.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Walsh
so basically its giving them the "OK" to take an monitor data ?
No. Without the phone company "monitoring" the data there would be no phone service at all. Do you know how the cellular system works? Do you know how the phone company bills you?
The bill said that the data belongs to the phone company and not the NSA.
originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: Walsh
OP the NSA is recording and storing everything in a new center out in Utah. This law just like Phage posted would put some stop gaps into the system.
I am starting to think this OP has some reading comprehension issues or is trolling. If it walks like a duck........And it quakes like a duck........Just saying.
i might have misread that clipping , for some reason i was under the impression that it was give the NSA more "rights" to collect data .
so , in other words it would give them a green light just as long as their actions were monitored and overseen by a court
originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: Walsh
And just for the record OP I can understand why you thought this was taking away liberty.......When I hear names like Patriot or freedom acts I think anti-liberty right away also.
The patriot act name sounds like it should be upholding liberty not tearing it apart and then taking a dump on it.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Walsh
i might have misread that clipping , for some reason i was under the impression that it was give the NSA more "rights" to collect data .
so , in other words it would give them a green light just as long as their actions were monitored and overseen by a court
You still might be missing it. Under the bill (had it passed) the NSA would have to have obtain court authority to obtain the records from the phone companies (a warrant, more or less), not to collect the data themselves. It would also have provided more open access to the activities of the court itself.
WASHINGTON -- Rand Paul, a leader of the libertarian wing of the Republican Party, helped kill a bill meant to rein in the National Security Agency. Huh?
The USA Freedom Act, sponsored by Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), received 58 votes on Tuesday night -- two short of cloture, the magic number in the Senate that allows a bill to proceed to an actual roll call.
The 40 Republicans and one Democrat who voted against cloture mostly did so because they thought the bill went too far. Paul also voted against NSA reform -- because, he said, it didn't go far enough.
Paul said he voted against the bill because it would have extended the Patriot Act provision that allows the NSA to search Americans’ phone records. He has consistently opposed the Patriot Act, passed in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
Leahy’s bill extended the provision’s expiration to June 2017 -- as a compromise, in order to change the law to stop the NSA from holding onto phone records. Under Leahy’s bill, that duty would have been handed off to phone companies. The companies' records could only have been searched with a surveillance court's order.
While Paul said he “felt bad” that the bill failed, because it “probably needed my vote," he also claimed the country was "one step closer to restoring civil liberties," because the Patriot Act provision's expiration date will not be extended.