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originally posted by: cancerslug
safety nets should only be giving for a short time. it was designed as a band ad to help but now it is a life style for some. raising minimum wage will not help the poor. if i make 16 dollars an hour now and can afford to live ok and you raise minimum wage to 15 an hour now every one like my self is now much poorer. because the cost of every thing will go up to compensate for the wage increase. now i grew up on welfare, living in welfare motels and it sucked. because people like my mom were able to go through life on tax payer's dollar. then when they did welfare reform in the 90s people like my mom had to finally do some thing with their self. she got a job and with in a few years went from living in welfare motels (the scariest place you can stay) to owning her own home and having 2 nice cars. safety nets are fine as long as it is temperately.
originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Social safety nets are in place to protect the rich.
The proper aim is to try and reconstruct society on such a basis that poverty will be impossible and the altruistic virtues have really prevented the carrying out of this aim. The worst slave owners were those who were kind to their slaves and so prevented the core of the system being realised by those who suffered from it and understood by those who contemplated it. Charity degrades and demoralises. It is immoral to use private property in order to alleviate the horrible evils that result from the institution of private property.
originally posted by: TheJourney
So many of you are misinterpreting his post...he's not even advocating for the philosophy of no safety nets, but is just saying that if we DID remove them, it would become very obvious how flawed our social structure is at a fundamental level, because there would be tons of people literally unable to get by, that would die...
Which is interesting to think about...not exactly realistic, but it WOULD make the point you are getting at...things would get real crazy real fast.
originally posted by: cancerslug
a reply to: Aazadan
maybe you can find facts to prove me wrong about how many people made it out of poverty the last time minimum wage was raised. not trying to argue with you on the subject, i'm just going off what i think. i don't see companies paying a much higher wage to employees with out with out raising the cost of goods to compensate for the wage increase. in that case how would you be making more money to get out of poverty if every thing cost more? it would seem to me that you would be in the same position.
i am against long term use of safety nets. staying on it only hurts you in the long run. every one i know that went on unemployment stayed on it for 2 years because they could. now those same people can't find a job cause the company looks at their resumé and sees that they went so long with out a job that they are not motivated for work. i got laid off and the next day i hit up every business for a job. and with in a few days i found a good job that i still have. the sad fact that so many people will not recognize is that a lot of poor people are content with being poor and will only do some thing with them self when they are forced to. i seen it to many times with friends and family.
originally posted by: chiefsmom
OP, your post makes me wonder....
If this did happen, would more people stand up and do what is right? Take people into their homes?
Probably not enough to help everyone, or even half, but I bet many would.