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originally posted by: Taggart
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: TrueAmerican
originally posted by: DJW001
Apparently, in the New World Order of Putin's the United States must respect the sovereignty of other nations, but Russia is free to annex its neighbors.
If the people in Crimea did not want to be part of Russia and had not filed officially to that effect, I believe he wouldn't have done it. And you're leaving out A LOT of the events as they proceeded to that point of a general referendum. You must be one of those "revisionist history" dudes.
Can you show me where the people of Crimea filed to be annexed by Russia before the Russians invaded? Pretty sure Russia invaded, had a vote they refused to allow to be monitored, leaked false numbers about the turnout, and then by mistake let the actual numbers get out that showed very few people voted, and only about half voted to leave the Ukraine .. all while Russia soldiers occupied the area.
How sure is pretty sure? Can you show me?
You can't say "gimme proof" then say what you think without.. Proof.
originally posted by: fenson76
I love how so many are eager to believe a politician...and ex KGB. I'm not saying any side is right but you are all making me lmao with your obviously biased naivete.
so Russia has no right to arm a population that is being murdered by fascists which is on its own border, and its own citizens are at risk?
Frankly if I were Putin, I would have steamrolled over there with my tank fleet flipping the bird to NATO and saying "show me you got a pair you baby killing bastards and try and stop me" .
So if Russia does not have the right to send weapons to a population on their border who are being murdered by people who actually locked innocent people inside a building and then set it on fire and burned dozens of people alive,
is it ok for the CIA to be arming ISIS to keep them killing innocent people as well? I bet that's ok to most because they deny in their heart the truth.
You can start with George Soros who has admitted being in Ukraine for years with his NGO trying to change their government.
There are others,but they stay pretty much hidden but if we dig further I'm sure we can get them too.
Look at the Bilderberg list and see how all attends.
The meetings are secret and they are setting policies with average people having no say what so ever.Yet we have to live under it.
A perimeter of about a half-mile has been set up around the Northern Virginia hotel, and all non-Bilderberg guests reportedly were kicked out of their rooms. A photographer for The Washington Times was told by law enforcement Wednesday that any attempt to get close to the building would result in arrest.
Everyone knows how to be democratic.
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: TM62
Oh dear. You need to be educated on the meaning of "democracy" and "republic." In a democracy, all citizens with the right to vote make decisions collectively. In a republic, a small subset of citizens make decisions collectively. In a democratic republic, which is what most people nowadays really mean when they use the term "democracy," this smaller subset of decision-makers is chosen by the electorate by democratic voting. In theory,those elected to the smaller decision making body represent the views and philosophy of those who elected them. Sovereignty is a quality of governments, not people.
originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask
"Why would you throw your lot in with someone who is exactly what you feel you are enduring now, only his is a more harsh standard...... "
Because Russia isn't trying to impose itself on the world. Russia is not trying to build an empire. America is.
The Russians aren't a danger to me or my family. America (or more accurately its corporate masters) is.