Rosebud Sioux Tribe: House Vote on Keystone Pipeline XL an "Act of War"

Before I say this, I want to declare that I am a card carrying Comanche.

I've had enough personal dealings with various tribes to be able to read between the lines on this issue. What the tribe is really saying is "we are upset we haven't been paid off yet."

In a few months, we'll see another, less prominent, story where the tribe issues a statement saying something like "Well after further review we feel this will be good for native american jobs and the economy and we want to help our country and we've been assured it's safe and ecological etc etc etc". Then you'll know palms finally got greased.

a reply to: thrustbucket

A card carrying Comanche who's probably never stepped foot on your Rez! What do you have to say about the Chippewa tribes who have stood in opposition to the Gogebic Taconite Mine in northern Wis for several years now. There hasn't been any greasing going on there. Maybe some folks do have a serious concern in regards to all these mines, drill holes and pipelines. Natives are some of the most environmentally conscious people I know. I am one to BTW, member of the Lac Courte Oreilles in northern Wis, the lead tribe in opposition to the mine.

Ok what I am about to say is anti pc but none less FACTUAL to the point of being painful.

The native american (and supporters) here are such HYPOCRITES it puts even our elected officials to shame.

On this issue of the pipeline we hear they dont want it due to their "soverign rights", enviromental concerns ect.

But you have no problems with government paying for roads, schools and heathcare.
You have no problem with getting free government surplus, paid education, income tax breaks, and having casinos that other states and locals cannot have.
You have no problem having your land not be taxed at the local , state or federal level.

In other words as long as your getting money, power and stuff your ok with it.

On this issue got an idea, you can have your "soverign nation" as long as your ON YOUR OWN.
How about that idea?

On another note that ALWAYS comes up on issues/discussions involving native americans how they are so much better than the "cruel nature hating white man".

Now I wont deny they got screwed on some things . But note THEY ARE NO BETTER THAN THE WHITE MAN.

Before other people (not just white men) arrived on the north american lands native americans were engaging in the same things that ALL OTHER NATIONS WERE.
They engaged in slavery, war for land, genocide of other "enemy" tribes, breaking treaties, raping women of "enemy" tribes, killing women and children, and mutilation of the enemy dead (on belief they would not enter the afterlife whole).
In fact I found out living in SD for a number of years the current tribe claiming the black hills had before completely WIPED OUT the previous tribe that claimed it as its own.
Now not to say they as a whole didnt have some good things and people. But it WAS NOT only them but PEOPLE OF ALL NATIONALITIES.

Even today you go on alot of reservations they are EXTREAMLY racist to "white people", they pollute their land, steal, rob, rape, commit crime, ect without one white person around.

While this and earlier does not justify the bad done to them, NOR DOES IT MAKE THEM TOTAL VICTIMS OR GIVE EXCUSES.

In other words in the past you just lost to another tribe.
As far as other things good and bad your JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

I think its time to acknowlege these FACTS and join the rest of the world.

So it boils down to STOP BEING HYPOCRITES.
Either join us and accept all the benifits, responcibilites, and the down sides that all of us have as CITIZENS OF THE USA.
Or become your own "nation" and DEAL WITH IT ON YOUR OWN.

I know what I stated won't go over well, but sometimes facts are just that.

While I'm not necessarily AGAINST this keystone pipeline (it has little effect on me personally) if this pipeline is supposed to go THROUGH Native American land, that is a big no no. I am all for building it up and at least creating some jobs, but not at the infringement of Native American land rights. The pipeline needs to go around.

a reply to: scrounger

Before other people (not just white men) arrived on the north american lands native americans were engaging in the same things that ALL OTHER NATIONS WERE. They engaged in slavery, war for land, genocide of other "enemy" tribes, breaking treaties, raping women of "enemy" tribes, killing women and children, and mutilation of the enemy dead

Oh, you mean they were doing the same thing our tribal clans were doing back in Europe. Like how those pesky Romans pushed our Celt ancestors around so bad that we had to beat up on the Picts. Or something like that

a reply to: WhiteAlice

I WILL STAND IN THEIR WAY WITH YOU MY FRIEND,IF IT EVER PASSES. WE ALL NEED TO TAKE A STAND AND STOP THE CORRUPT POLITICIANS FROM STEALING ANY MORE LAND SO THEY GET RICHER,AND WE LOSE WHAT IS OURS.

This whole ordeal reminds me of the situation going on at the Unist'ot'en Camp. Different governments, but dealing with the same issues. If the US Government actually decides to push this thing through, it'll be interesting to see what happens, and whether or not activists will support the sovereignty of the natives.


unistotencamp.com...

I think that in order to resolve an issue like this, we need to join forces with Canada. Whatever cultural and ideological issues that we have with Canada, which I'd reckon is pretty small, should be overridden by the fact that we and Canada took their land in the first place, therefore, the moral thing to do would be to join forces and try to preserve as much Indian land as possible.

It takes a lot of land to preserve the old style of living, and keep them from going extinct. This will also have an effect of showing the Chinese that no matter how much land they annex, they can never become big enough to counter the New United States.

ROCK ON, MY BOLD RED BROTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think I could forget a lot of the BS D.C. has shelled out in the past few years if these fine examples of real Americans actually did something against the pipeline, legal or otherwise. Hell, I'd like to see the government try and put down such an uprising. It would encourage even more unrest.

I can only hope.

originally posted by: scrounger


On this issue got an idea, you can have your "soverign nation" as long as your ON YOUR OWN.
How about that idea?

Well, in that case...why don't you give it all back then! You can have these reservations that lack natural resources and provide zero ability for Native Americans to be self-sufficient since the white man made sure they took all lands that had any value. I admit, there are some reservations with limited resources, such as timber, but, hey, since you believe Natives are to be self-sufficient, then give back the lands so they can be. And don't bring up gaming because there are only a few tribes that have become successful from gaming and those are tribes near population centers. The South Dakota Sioux tribes are far from population centers.

Trust me...I don't support the entitlement mentality that's been instilled throughout Indian Country, but at the same time, I know the struggle that Indian People are going through. Some of those Sioux tribes in South Dakota are the poorest communities in the United States, so get off it... The white man's government back in the 1800's made agreements with Indian People to get them to settle on these reservations, which included some things like health care. They did this to get them to stop resisting westward expansion, the acquisition of lands that held value, so now, the right thing to do is honor those agreements and quit whining about how Indians should take care of themselves. Like I said, give them back all the land then. Of course, we know this isn't going to happen, so honor the agreements and be honorable.

That's a fight I can get behind.