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Omnivore rage!!!

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posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 03:12 AM
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So Anok your saying instead of eating the cow to eat the grass the cow eats? I tried grass once when i was 2, its not that good. If your saying we should eat all the plants then whats the diffenece something would be eating the plants.

You know i saw on tv that if everyone were to include eating bugs to their diet then that would end world hunger. Just some food for thought.




posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 03:29 AM
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@Croat56



Cows that are raised for food don't eat grass.
Are you under the notion that cows run around free in a field eating grass until chopping block time? Hehehehe thats so cute


Warning the truth might shock ya!

www.hsus.org...

www.factoryfarming.com...

www.idausa.org...

www.biomuncie.org...



posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 04:03 AM
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Anok, what are your thoughts on live export. you might recall a major fiasco recently in which a load of australian sheep were denied landing in Saudi arabia i think it was due to what they claimed were sick animals abourd. consequently many more animals died as a result!
www.smh.com.au...
www.maff.gov.au...



posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 04:36 AM
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@Instar

Yes live exportation of animals is a process that definitely needs to be looked at.
As of now it's pretty much unregulated and often animals are re-exported.
They go for days in cramped, hot or cold conditions with none or inadequate food and water.
Animals drown, burn in ship fires, starve to death, get crushed to death, die from heat, exposure etc...
The UK actually pays exporters 200 million pounds a year to export their animals. WTF!
And it's not just cows and pigs, every year 10,000 non-human primates are shipped world wide by commercial aircraft to research labs.
To end up like this;
(*warning* graphic pic)
www.all-creatures.org...

www.ciwf.org.uk...

www.carn-age.org.uk...

Online petition to ban live exports from New Zealand;
www.gopetition.com...

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posted on Dec, 11 2004 @ 05:12 AM
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Yep, absolutely evil Anok. I have a copy of "hidden crimes" video from my days of protest, I cant look at it anymore, it overwhelms me with feelings of outrage, anger, sadness and hopelessness, and outright disgust. Id love to put a few "researchers" through there own experiments!



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 04:44 AM
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Originally posted by ANOK
Yes eating meat does make ppl more aggressive.

In the wild carnivores are very aggressive.
Veggies and omni's are usually pretty mellow.

food.consumercide.com...


Carnivores are more aggressive because they have to KILL their prey. Unlike Herbivores that wander around and munch grass which doesnt put up a fight. Humans are omnivores, it is a fact. Humans who dont eat meat get sick, simple, no number of substatutes like mushrooms can replace a good steak. So put that vegitarian crap to bed.



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 05:16 AM
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@ SiRiNO

Again pls do some research.
Vegetarians do not get sick. Some ppl have been veggies since birth.
In fact the opposite is true, meat eating causes many health problems:

www.taxmeat.com...

I agree that someone who just eats carrots and peas, or mushrooms (no nutrition shrooms dude...lol) will get sick.
But if you eat a well balanced diet and make sure you get all the 'B' vitamins, you will not get sick. In fact you will be far more healthy than the average meat eater.
As a veggie you are forced to find alternatives outside the normal 'processed' food choices. Again because of this you tend to eat more healthy natural food.

Omnivores are primarily veggie eaters who eat meat on occasion.
Our bodies were not designed to eat the amount of meat we do.
Do some research on human biology.
here's a start;

www.all-creatures.org...

And we've been over the why carnivores are aggressive, pls see the link I provided.

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."
- Albert Einstein

(edited for spelligg)

[edit on 12/12/2004 by ANOK]



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 05:24 AM
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Some points of intrest for both parties.........

www.living-foods.com...

www.edgerton.k12.wi.us...

www.findarticles.com...

www.beyondveg.com...

www.jtcwd.com...

www.handbag.com...

Good information above for everyone regardless what you eat. In the end its down to the individual.



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 05:39 AM
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Originally posted by ANOK
www.all-creatures.org...

And we've been over the why carnivores are aggressive, pls see the link I provided.

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."
- Albert Einstein

(edited for spelligg)

[edit on 12/12/2004 by ANOK]


"meatfreezone.org" hahaha. Show me some REAL medical papers by real doctors with no agenda instead of this propoganda.


SAVE THE TREES MAN - EAT MEAT



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 05:53 AM
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Originally posted by SiRiNO

"meatfreezone.org" hahaha. Show me some REAL medical papers by real doctors with no agenda instead of this propoganda.


SAVE THE TREES MAN - EAT MEAT


OK why don't YOU show me some REAL medical papers to back up your claim? Go ahead, find me something that says Humans HAVE to eat meat.
Other than something from the meat industry that is
.
The propaganda is what the state feeds you, cause it wants your money.
There is no agenda other than trying to create a more compassionate world for animals and humans. Why is that so bad?

www.ul.ie...

www.emagazine.com...

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posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 06:15 AM
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Originally posted by ANOK
OK why don't YOU show me some REAL medical papers to back up your claim? Go ahead, find me something that says Humans HAVE to eat meat.
Other than something from the meat industry that is
.
The propaganda is what the state feeds you, cause it wants your money.
There is no agenda other than trying to create a more compassionate world for animals and humans. Why is that so bad?


Go look in a mirror, look at your teeth. Nice canines for ripping apart...greens
. Try to accept what you are.

While i'm at it i'll join the crowd and throw in a link. Whats good you you is good for me.



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 06:22 AM
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Show me some REAL medical papers by real doctors with no agenda instead of this propoganda.



I thought a few of the links I gave, were reasonably medically sound and unbiased, check out the last one mate.
Actually mate Anok's last link is written by a cardiologist,and veiws within are enspoused by medical people, its reasonably unbiased.

Here ya go sirino, scroll to "we have the mouth of a planteater" you might find the passage intresting! its about your "canine" teeth

www.nealhendrickson.com...
This goes further.......
www.geocities.com...




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posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 01:17 PM
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I can definitely say that it is a misconception that vegetarians have health issues. I eat no animal products, yet I am never sick and am extremely healthy (I don't look sickly either). I can veganize or find any any food item/recipe you can imagine. I make sure to get just as much protein as a meat-eater would (lots of soy, glutan, veg protein, nuts etc), I consume plenty of vitamins, calcium and iron and, yes, healthy fats (found in soy, nuts, avacado, certain grains etc). I just know how to eat healthfully. Plus, I don't ingest the chemicles, growth hormones, and steroids given to animals.

I have met vegan and vegetarian doctors, and every doctor I have ever seen, has been supportive of the vegan diet. Everytime I have a physical, the doctor praises my blood work and vitals and credits it to my diet.


On another topic, Even if you don't care about the torture animals are exposed to, read up about the people who work in the slaughter houses and how corrupt and twisted it is. Its really quite disturbing.



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 01:46 PM
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I love meat, I will never give it up.



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by SiRiNO
Go look in a mirror, look at your teeth. Nice canines for ripping apart...greens
. Try to accept what you are.

While i'm at it i'll join the crowd and throw in a link. Whats good you you is good for me.


Myth; Humans have canine teeth just like carnivores.

Truth; Carnivore canine teeth are long and sharp for tearing through meat and bone. Human canine and incisor teeth are small compared to those of a carnivore and are better suited to biting through tough vegetable matter rather than animal skin and bone.
Carnie jaws are strong and tend to only move up and down whereas veggie eaters have mouths that also move side to side for chewing veggie matter.

Again pls research before you make wild claims with nothing to back it up.
If you notice I and others are providing numerous links to back up our claims. You have provided nothing.
Instead of getting defensive get educated.



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by ANOK

Again pls research before you make wild claims with nothing to back it up.
If you notice I and others are providing numerous links to back up our claims. You have provided nothing.
Instead of getting defensive get educated.


I guess you want to be a ass to people, so I will tell you to do the same Sir.

Again pls research before you make wild claims with nothing to back it up.

Introduction/Morphology/Function/Location

Human canines are the longest and most stable of teeth in the dental arch. Only one tooth of this class is present in each quadrant. In traditional dental literature, canines are considered the cornerstones of the dental arch. They are the only teeth in the dentition with a single cusp. They are especially anchored as prehensile teeth in the group from whence they get their name, the Carnivora.
www.forensicdentistryonline.org...



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 02:17 PM
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Spitin Cobra

Sorry but that tells us nothing.

I don't deny we have canine teeth, most animals do.
But there is a huge diff between carni canines and veggie canines.

And I'm sorry if I sound like an ass, the truth hurts don't it?



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 03:05 PM
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Did you read the link at all?

They are especially anchored as prehensile teeth in the group from whence they get their name, the Carnivora.


Carnivora

Go look this word up. Then see what the root means.

I bet you think dogs are carnivors, wrong they are omnivores. Cats are carnivors.
 


Dogs are omnivore like us humans. I fed my german shepherd a vegetarian diet and he was strong and healthy and had a beautiful shiny coat. I've run across others on line who have feed their dogs vegetarian with good results. Dogs can basically eat whatever people eat.

Cats on the other hand seem to be a different matter. First off, they are true carnivores. They have a very high requirement for protein and fat (unlike us and dogs). A total vegan diet may not have enough protein and fat for them. They also cannot manufacture taurine, an amino acid found in meat.

www.vegsource.com...
www.thepetcenter.com...
www.thepetcenter.com...

 


You have to read whats in the links, I can lead you to the truth, I cant make you accept it.



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by SpittinCobra
Cats on the other hand seem to be a different matter. First off, they are true carnivores. They have a very high requirement for protein and fat (unlike us and dogs). A total vegan diet may not have enough protein and fat for them. They also cannot manufacture taurine, an amino acid found in meat.


Yes, this is true, but here are a few problems-

The quality of the meat used for animal foods is downright scary. Cancerous and euthenized scrap pieces of the lowest quality.... However vegan I may be, I feed my cat the healthiest cat food I can find, and it is not vegetarian. Its the one exception I make. I do however hope that manufacturers will work more with humane treatment and drug-free quality cuts.

They do make a synthetic taurine, catfood nutrients powder, for vegetarians or anyone who would like to make their own cat food. I just accept the fact that cats are more dependent on other creatures than humans are. Still, in nature, cats would not be eating most of the stuff you would find in manufactured foods.

IMO-Its the more self-sufficient and evolved creatures who can discover alternatives to preying upon others.



posted on Dec, 12 2004 @ 03:33 PM
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Yes SpittinCobra I read your link.
It tells us nothing we don’t already know.

Take this paragraph for example;



In mammals, canines are single rooted teeth adapted for tearing food. They are often the largest teeth in the mouth. In humans they are much reduced in size. This condition permits the side-to-side motion in the human chewing cycle. In many species canines project well beyond the level of the other teeth and may interlock when the teeth are closed (preventing side-to-side motion).


then read this from; www.nealhendrickson.com...


Our dentition evolved for processing starches, fruits, and vegetables, not tearing and masticating flesh. Our oft-cited "canine" teeth are not at all comparable to the sharp teeth of true carnivores. I lecture to over 10,000 dentists, dental hygienists, and oral specialists every year, and I always ask them to show me the “canine” teeth in a person’s mouth – those that resemble a cat’s or dog’s teeth – I am still waiting to be shown the first example of a sharply pointed canine tooth.
If you have any doubt of the truth of this observation then go look in the mirror right now – you may have learned to call your 4 corner front teeth, “canine teeth” – but in no way do they resemble the sharp, jagged, blades of a true carnivore – your corner teeth are short, blunted, and flat on top (or slightly rounded at most). Nor do they ever function in the manner of true canine teeth. Have you ever observed someone purposely favoring these teeth while tearing off a piece of steak or chewing it? Nor have I. The lower jaw of a meat-eating animal has very little side-to-side motion – it is fixed to open and close, which adds strength and stability to its powerful bite. Like other plant-eating animals our jaw can move forwards and backwards, and side-to-side, as well as open and close, for biting off pieces of plant matter, and then grinding them into smaller pieces with our flat molars.

Ya see your link backs up my link.

From the Websters Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary


Carnivora n pl [L, neut. Pl of carnivorus] (1865) : carnivorous animals
Carnivore n [derive. Of L carnivorus] (1840) 1: a flesh-eating animal: esp : any of an order (Carnivora) of flesh-eating mammals 2: an insectivorous plant
Carnivoros adj [L. carnivorus, fr. carn-, caro flesh + -vorus- -vorous – more at CARNAL] (1646)
1: subsisting or feeding on animal tissue 2: of a plant : subsisting on nutrients obtained from the breakdown of animal protoplasm 3: of or relating to the carnivores 4: RAPACIOUS – car-niv-o-rous-ly adj – car-niv-o-rous-ness n

Anything else you would like me to look up?

(sorry for the C&P mods but ppl don’t read links)

(edited for spelling)




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