Christians are being persecuted worldwide!, Burning, Beheading and Crucifixion.

originally posted by: tavi45

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Klassified
Luke 6

Blessed are you when men hate you, And when they exclude you, And revile you, and cast out your name as evil, For the Son of Man’s sake. 23 Rejoice in that day and leap for joy! For indeed your reward is great in heaven, For in like manner their fathers did to the prophets.

1 Peter 4

12 Beloved, do not think it strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened to you; 13 but rejoice to the extent that you partake of Christ’s sufferings, that when His glory is revealed, you may also be glad with exceeding joy. 14 If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evildoer, or as a busybody in other people’s matters. 16 Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter. 17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?

John 16

...They will put you out of the synagogues. yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me. But these things I have told you, that when the time comes, you may remember that I told you of them.

2 Timothy

…all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution

If the bible is infallible as you say on the first page, and you are indeed a christian. It would seem that everything you're screaming is happening, is what is expected to happen, according to the bible.

Yes which is why I don't resent it. I don't like however how everyone is trying to sweep this under the rug. Not once have I heard anyone cry out for the dead children who were beheaded..

Someone said I am judging people for being gay. No I am not. I don't think they are bad people. God says that homosexuality is a sin. Me saying that in the least provocative manner I can and at a time that is relevant is not me judging. There is no hate or angst or bitterness behind it. Surely you can see that from my words, I am not hateful or judgmental I am in fact quite caring.

I care about these HUMAN BEINGS being persecuted.

Do you?

You care about Christians being persecuted not human beings. Did you read your own post?

Elaborate please. I just read your post and my post 3 times over and I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about so please highlight and reiterate for me so I can understand.

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: TechUnique
Yeah that's an appropriate response to someone causing you a grievance.

I didn't say that, did I? Putting words in my mouth doesn't help your case.

You can't go into a country and preach something you KNOW will get you killed and then complain because you get killed... You can't knowingly step into a bear trap and then blame the trap for going off...

There are plenty of Christians who were BORN in the middle east and are being persecuted. Your point makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and you are making apologies for people who are BEHEADING PEOPLE..

Well then, perhaps your beloved "Christian presidents" should not have spent the past 60 years manipulating the ME, removing regimes that were blocks to these extremist groups, funding rebel groups just like ISIS, and so on. It's called group karma bro.

That doesn't excuse it, but it informs the "why."

How can these people be true Christians?

They may CLAIM to be Christian but the fruits of their labor suggest the COMPLETE opposite.

Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

Bible

And I don't live in the USA by the way.

And on this I agree with you, that if someone is engaging in unethical wars, aggression, etc, then they can't truly be showing the fruits of real spirituality.

However, a view of history shows that apparently very few Christians are "real Christians" then, as too many atrocities have been committed or supported by Christians over the past 2000 years. Most Christians, including most of the Religious Right, were ALL for Bush's illegal and evil wars and his institution of torture. I knew immediately it was wrong. Ask yourself a scary and real question: If these devoted evangelical Christians, who appear to be praying, accepting Jesus, and reading the Bible were absolutely oblivious to the evil going on, while many non-Christians or liberal Christians knew right away, what does that say about contemporary Christianity's "Fruits of the spirit." Where was the "spirit of truth" of the Holy Spirit?

Yes that is very true. There are few true Christians. People masquerade under the guise of religion in order to commit atrocities. God wouldn't tell George bush to destabilize Iraq and cause the deaths of 100's of thousands of citizens.

God wouldn't condone the sexual abuse of children at the hands of the catholic church. God doesn't condone the catholic church at all it is a cult which worships false idols.

I personally agree that God or a higher power would not command anyone to or condone anyone committing sexual abuse, mass murder, wars of aggression, and so on.

I am no fan of the Catholic Church due to some of the history.

But a lot of protestants as we are discussing now have committed atrocities too. Remember, the entire British Empire was ostensibly protestant and most of the US foreign policy actions have occurred under the banner of Christianity.

What I don't want you to think is that I am singling out Christianity. Obviously there have been atrocities committed in the name of other religions.

You just hit the nail on the head without even realizing it.
"But a lot of protestants as we are discussing now have committed atrocities too. Remember, the entire British Empire was ostensibly protestant and most of the US foreign policy actions have occurred under the banner of Christianity. "

So then, do you extend the same grace to general Islam when deluded or extremist groups "under the banner" of Islam commit terrorism or something else? Do you also say "but they aren't real Muslims, and are abusing the name of Islam?"

Yes of course. True Muslims are not what I'm talking about although they are mislead and very wrong. Now, Islamist extremists are a completely different matter and you can just see the evil dripping out of their every pore. They spread hate and destruction.

Edit to add - I think I misunderstood your post. What grace did I extend to anyone? I wasn't extending grace when I said they committed atrocities under the banner of Christianity.. I think that is appalling and they were not true Christians hence why they were under the banner of Christianity but not actual Christians.

I hope this addresses your questions..

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: TechUnique
Yeah that's an appropriate response to someone causing you a grievance.

I didn't say that, did I? Putting words in my mouth doesn't help your case.

You can't go into a country and preach something you KNOW will get you killed and then complain because you get killed... You can't knowingly step into a bear trap and then blame the trap for going off...

There are plenty of Christians who were BORN in the middle east and are being persecuted. Your point makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and you are making apologies for people who are BEHEADING PEOPLE..

Well then, perhaps your beloved "Christian presidents" should not have spent the past 60 years manipulating the ME, removing regimes that were blocks to these extremist groups, funding rebel groups just like ISIS, and so on. It's called group karma bro.

That doesn't excuse it, but it informs the "why."

How can these people be true Christians?

They may CLAIM to be Christian but the fruits of their labor suggest the COMPLETE opposite.

Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

Bible

And I don't live in the USA by the way.

And on this I agree with you, that if someone is engaging in unethical wars, aggression, etc, then they can't truly be showing the fruits of real spirituality.

However, a view of history shows that apparently very few Christians are "real Christians" then, as too many atrocities have been committed or supported by Christians over the past 2000 years. Most Christians, including most of the Religious Right, were ALL for Bush's illegal and evil wars and his institution of torture. I knew immediately it was wrong. Ask yourself a scary and real question: If these devoted evangelical Christians, who appear to be praying, accepting Jesus, and reading the Bible were absolutely oblivious to the evil going on, while many non-Christians or liberal Christians knew right away, what does that say about contemporary Christianity's "Fruits of the spirit." Where was the "spirit of truth" of the Holy Spirit?

Yes that is very true. There are few true Christians. People masquerade under the guise of religion in order to commit atrocities. God wouldn't tell George bush to destabilize Iraq and cause the deaths of 100's of thousands of citizens.

God wouldn't condone the sexual abuse of children at the hands of the catholic church. God doesn't condone the catholic church at all it is a cult which worships false idols.

I personally agree that God or a higher power would not command anyone to or condone anyone committing sexual abuse, mass murder, wars of aggression, and so on.

I am no fan of the Catholic Church due to some of the history.

But a lot of protestants as we are discussing now have committed atrocities too. Remember, the entire British Empire was ostensibly protestant and most of the US foreign policy actions have occurred under the banner of Christianity.

What I don't want you to think is that I am singling out Christianity. Obviously there have been atrocities committed in the name of other religions.

You just hit the nail on the head without even realizing it.
"But a lot of protestants as we are discussing now have committed atrocities too. Remember, the entire British Empire was ostensibly protestant and most of the US foreign policy actions have occurred under the banner of Christianity. "

So then, do you extend the same grace to general Islam when deluded or extremist groups "under the banner" of Islam commit terrorism or something else? Do you also say "but they aren't real Muslims, and are abusing the name of Islam?"

Yes of course. True Muslims are not what I'm talking about although they are mislead and very wrong. Now, Islamist extremists are a completely different matter and you can just see the evil dripping out of their every pore. They spread hate and destruction.

Edit to add - I think I misunderstood your post. What grace did I extend to anyone? I wasn't extending grace when I said they committed atrocities under the banner of Christianity.. I think that is appalling and they were not true Christians hence why they were under the banner of Christianity but not actual Christians.

I hope this addresses your questions..

No you read it correctly in the sense of "extending grace" to Christianity, NOT the extremists. What i mean is you are extending grace to CHRISTIANITY, allowing that these people do not really represent real Christianity and hence Christianity cannot be impuned in general.

So then, other religions also should not be generally attacked for the actions of extremists.

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: TechUnique

Eh, I think it's just an inevitable reaction to Western Christian nations slaughtering Muslims and calling them evil.

Pope Francis is the best pope in ages. He's pushing the ideas of love, tolerance, and charity. Last I checked that's kind of Jesus' whole deal.

We are not 'Christian nations'.

Do you believe Jesus Christ died for our sins and was resurrected so that we can be close to god? A true Christian believes in the validity of Christ. A true christian believes that Jesus was and is the TRUE SON OF GOD.

Pope Francis is saying this is a lie so by definition is behaving in accordance to how the Anti Christ is supposed to behave. Further on your point, the majority of our leaders and people are NOT true Christians therefore you cannot blame this on Christian nations slaughtering Muslims.

It was the catholic church that inflicted the majority of the bloodshed. The protestants were true and just. They knew the real message of the bible that Christ is the one true way to god. That is why they revolted against the catholic church because they were trying to suppress this truth by translating the bible into Latin so peasants couldn't read it.

The pope is trying to unify all world religions into one. This is sacrilege as there is only one true religion and the rest are Babylonian knock offs.

Jesus Christ is the only one true way to God.

We are living in times akin to the days of Sodom and Gomorrah. We have never been further apart from God.

Obama parades himself as a hardcore liberal. The terms 'socialist' and 'libertarian' has been perverted to not represent true freedom anymore. The devil masquerades through churches. True Christians aren't pedophiles. The catholic church houses criminals.

Don't bunch Christians together with fake Christians who think homosexuality isn't a sin. These are the same types of 'Christians' who would bow down to Islam as to not be persecuted. This isn't true Christianity. Homosexuality is a sin and I don't hate sinners in the slightest but I don't openly endorse or encourage homosexuality like the media, hollywood and the elite do.

Churches are being forced to marry gay couples or be jailed. That is beyond comprehension. Can you imagine if a Christian tried to force a private gay club to let them be a member? It would be a completely different story.

Islam and homosexuality have both been mollycoddled and allowed to proliferate.. The devil hides behind all false religions. This is why beheading is rampant at the hands of Islamist extremists. Furthermore, this is why Christians are targeted specifically, because they are the direct enemies of Satan.

I suggest a good dose of lithium and a new hobby.

OP you should know Christian persecution is true but it's merely justice and reparations for all the deeds "Christians" have done in the past. It's very easy to say the Christians of the past were evil but then again....they were not true Christians.

They were manipulated into hating others of different faiths, battling to reclaim soil, torture, etc by those who manipulate and control the masses.

So modern Christians are being blamed for the deeds of those who didn't truly believe in what they were taught by whatever preacher they listened to.

Also, many media sources love to report stories about fanatical, extremist "Christians" who are just as manipulative and mislead as the ones in the past. Because it helps to cement the idea that Christianity is filled with hate and is a negative force in the world.

People of all religions do bad. But does it mean the religion is bad? No. Humans would've done as much damage to eachother even if there was no such thing as religion. We do enough damage out of racism and the quest for resources.

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: tavi45

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Klassified
Luke 6

Blessed are you when men hate you, And when they exclude you, And revile you, and cast out your name as evil, For the Son of Man’s sake. 23 Rejoice in that day and leap for joy! For indeed your reward is great in heaven, For in like manner their fathers did to the prophets.

1 Peter 4

12 Beloved, do not think it strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened to you; 13 but rejoice to the extent that you partake of Christ’s sufferings, that when His glory is revealed, you may also be glad with exceeding joy. 14 If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evildoer, or as a busybody in other people’s matters. 16 Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter. 17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?

John 16

...They will put you out of the synagogues. yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me. But these things I have told you, that when the time comes, you may remember that I told you of them.

2 Timothy

…all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution

If the bible is infallible as you say on the first page, and you are indeed a christian. It would seem that everything you're screaming is happening, is what is expected to happen, according to the bible.

Yes which is why I don't resent it. I don't like however how everyone is trying to sweep this under the rug. Not once have I heard anyone cry out for the dead children who were beheaded..

Someone said I am judging people for being gay. No I am not. I don't think they are bad people. God says that homosexuality is a sin. Me saying that in the least provocative manner I can and at a time that is relevant is not me judging. There is no hate or angst or bitterness behind it. Surely you can see that from my words, I am not hateful or judgmental I am in fact quite caring.

I care about these HUMAN BEINGS being persecuted.

Do you?

You care about Christians being persecuted not human beings. Did you read your own post?

Elaborate please. I just read your post and my post 3 times over and I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about so please highlight and reiterate for me so I can understand.

You only mentioned Christian persecution in your thread. You then said you think Muslims and gays are bad people. So you care about Christians suffering but not other groups. It's pretty simple.

a reply to: Yeahkeepwatchingme

The beheading of children is not the reparation of anything and it is certainly not justice by any means. Justice would be to hold the people who are committing these war crimes to account. By war crimes I mean any crimes involving violence to expand political or economic influence.

For that our governments of the west can be held, at least to some degree, accountable. Although we should be focusing more on the puppet masters who control the government.

They are the ones who ALL this anger is justified toward.

Babies and people of any religion are not.

a reply to: TechUnique

Get on the next flight over there. Take a basket with you.

originally posted by: tavi45

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: tavi45

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Klassified
Luke 6

Blessed are you when men hate you, And when they exclude you, And revile you, and cast out your name as evil, For the Son of Man’s sake. 23 Rejoice in that day and leap for joy! For indeed your reward is great in heaven, For in like manner their fathers did to the prophets.

1 Peter 4

12 Beloved, do not think it strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened to you; 13 but rejoice to the extent that you partake of Christ’s sufferings, that when His glory is revealed, you may also be glad with exceeding joy. 14 If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evildoer, or as a busybody in other people’s matters. 16 Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter. 17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?

John 16

...They will put you out of the synagogues. yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me. But these things I have told you, that when the time comes, you may remember that I told you of them.

2 Timothy

…all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution

If the bible is infallible as you say on the first page, and you are indeed a christian. It would seem that everything you're screaming is happening, is what is expected to happen, according to the bible.

Yes which is why I don't resent it. I don't like however how everyone is trying to sweep this under the rug. Not once have I heard anyone cry out for the dead children who were beheaded..

Someone said I am judging people for being gay. No I am not. I don't think they are bad people. God says that homosexuality is a sin. Me saying that in the least provocative manner I can and at a time that is relevant is not me judging. There is no hate or angst or bitterness behind it. Surely you can see that from my words, I am not hateful or judgmental I am in fact quite caring.

I care about these HUMAN BEINGS being persecuted.

Do you?

You care about Christians being persecuted not human beings. Did you read your own post?

Elaborate please. I just read your post and my post 3 times over and I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about so please highlight and reiterate for me so I can understand.

You only mentioned Christian persecution in your thread. You then said you think Muslims and gays are bad people. So you care about Christians suffering but not other groups. It's pretty simple.

WHEN did I say Muslims and gays are bad people? QUOTE ME DIRECTLY.

I may have said Islamist EXTREMISTS who commit atrocities are evil. I don't remember saying that they were bad people and I know for sure I would never say that Muslims are bad people because not one inch of my soul believes that.

Finally, I never said Gay people are bad people, in fact, I can recollect stating the complete opposite.

Sin is bad. The act of homosexuality is bad but the person committing that act is not bad by nature.

Don't get it twisted.

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: tavi45

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: tavi45

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Klassified
Luke 6

Blessed are you when men hate you, And when they exclude you, And revile you, and cast out your name as evil, For the Son of Man’s sake. 23 Rejoice in that day and leap for joy! For indeed your reward is great in heaven, For in like manner their fathers did to the prophets.

1 Peter 4

12 Beloved, do not think it strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened to you; 13 but rejoice to the extent that you partake of Christ’s sufferings, that when His glory is revealed, you may also be glad with exceeding joy. 14 If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evildoer, or as a busybody in other people’s matters. 16 Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter. 17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?

John 16

...They will put you out of the synagogues. yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me. But these things I have told you, that when the time comes, you may remember that I told you of them.

2 Timothy

…all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution

If the bible is infallible as you say on the first page, and you are indeed a christian. It would seem that everything you're screaming is happening, is what is expected to happen, according to the bible.

Yes which is why I don't resent it. I don't like however how everyone is trying to sweep this under the rug. Not once have I heard anyone cry out for the dead children who were beheaded..

Someone said I am judging people for being gay. No I am not. I don't think they are bad people. God says that homosexuality is a sin. Me saying that in the least provocative manner I can and at a time that is relevant is not me judging. There is no hate or angst or bitterness behind it. Surely you can see that from my words, I am not hateful or judgmental I am in fact quite caring.

I care about these HUMAN BEINGS being persecuted.

Do you?

You care about Christians being persecuted not human beings. Did you read your own post?

Elaborate please. I just read your post and my post 3 times over and I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about so please highlight and reiterate for me so I can understand.

You only mentioned Christian persecution in your thread. You then said you think Muslims and gays are bad people. So you care about Christians suffering but not other groups. It's pretty simple.

WHEN did I say Muslims and gays are bad people? QUOTE ME DIRECTLY.

I may have said Islamist EXTREMISTS who commit atrocities are evil. I don't remember saying that they were bad people and I know for sure I would never say that Muslims are bad people because not one inch of my soul believes that.

Finally, I never said Gay people are bad people, in fact, I can recollect stating the complete opposite.

Sin is bad. The act of homosexuality is bad but the person committing that act is not bad by nature.

Don't get it twisted.

Isn't it fun being a faux preacher?

a reply to: TechUnique

I agree with you. I was being sarcastic in my first paragraph.

There's a reason this is all happening nowadays and most deny it though it's all going according to plan.

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Klassified
Luke 6

Blessed are you when men hate you, And when they exclude you, And revile you, and cast out your name as evil, For the Son of Man’s sake. 23 Rejoice in that day and leap for joy! For indeed your reward is great in heaven, For in like manner their fathers did to the prophets.

1 Peter 4

12 Beloved, do not think it strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened to you; 13 but rejoice to the extent that you partake of Christ’s sufferings, that when His glory is revealed, you may also be glad with exceeding joy. 14 If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evildoer, or as a busybody in other people’s matters. 16 Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter. 17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?

John 16

...They will put you out of the synagogues. yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me. But these things I have told you, that when the time comes, you may remember that I told you of them.

2 Timothy

…all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution

If the bible is infallible as you say on the first page, and you are indeed a christian. It would seem that everything you're screaming is happening, is what is expected to happen, according to the bible.

Yes which is why I don't resent it. I don't like however how everyone is trying to sweep this under the rug. Not once have I heard anyone cry out for the dead children who were beheaded..

Someone said I am judging people for being gay. No I am not. I don't think they are bad people. God says that homosexuality is a sin. Me saying that in the least provocative manner I can and at a time that is relevant is not me judging. There is no hate or angst or bitterness behind it. Surely you can see that from my words, I am not hateful or judgmental I am in fact quite caring.

I care about these HUMAN BEINGS being persecuted.

Do you?

That is it - you blankiy, blank. How about the hundreds of thousand children the western nations have killed in the middle east - or south-east Asia, or Meso America, africa and the rest of the third world?

What is it about be-heading that makes people stupidier then usual.

a reply to: FyreByrd

But exactly how does the actions of non Christians in control of Western nations justify the beheadings and torture of Christians worldwide?

Others would flip out if people used that same logic to justify the persecution of other faiths so it's hypocrisy.

Like how "Muslims" who are committing these acts aren't true. But that doesn't mean all Muslims should be persecuted because a fraction of the population are mislead and attack others.

originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
a reply to: FyreByrd

But exactly how does the actions of non Christians in control of Western nations justify the beheadings and torture of Christians worldwide?

Others would flip out if people used that same logic to justify the persecution of other faiths so it's hypocrisy.

Like how "Muslims" who are committing these acts aren't true. But that doesn't mean all Muslims should be persecuted because a fraction of the population are mislead and attack others.

Precisely.

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: tavi45

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: tavi45

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Klassified
Luke 6

Blessed are you when men hate you, And when they exclude you, And revile you, and cast out your name as evil, For the Son of Man’s sake. 23 Rejoice in that day and leap for joy! For indeed your reward is great in heaven, For in like manner their fathers did to the prophets.

1 Peter 4

12 Beloved, do not think it strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened to you; 13 but rejoice to the extent that you partake of Christ’s sufferings, that when His glory is revealed, you may also be glad with exceeding joy. 14 If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evildoer, or as a busybody in other people’s matters. 16 Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter. 17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?

John 16

...They will put you out of the synagogues. yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me. But these things I have told you, that when the time comes, you may remember that I told you of them.

2 Timothy

…all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution

If the bible is infallible as you say on the first page, and you are indeed a christian. It would seem that everything you're screaming is happening, is what is expected to happen, according to the bible.

Yes which is why I don't resent it. I don't like however how everyone is trying to sweep this under the rug. Not once have I heard anyone cry out for the dead children who were beheaded..

Someone said I am judging people for being gay. No I am not. I don't think they are bad people. God says that homosexuality is a sin. Me saying that in the least provocative manner I can and at a time that is relevant is not me judging. There is no hate or angst or bitterness behind it. Surely you can see that from my words, I am not hateful or judgmental I am in fact quite caring.

I care about these HUMAN BEINGS being persecuted.

Do you?

You care about Christians being persecuted not human beings. Did you read your own post?

Elaborate please. I just read your post and my post 3 times over and I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about so please highlight and reiterate for me so I can understand.

You only mentioned Christian persecution in your thread. You then said you think Muslims and gays are bad people. So you care about Christians suffering but not other groups. It's pretty simple.

WHEN did I say Muslims and gays are bad people? QUOTE ME DIRECTLY.

I may have said Islamist EXTREMISTS who commit atrocities are evil. I don't remember saying that they were bad people and I know for sure I would never say that Muslims are bad people because not one inch of my soul believes that.

Finally, I never said Gay people are bad people, in fact, I can recollect stating the complete opposite.

Sin is bad. The act of homosexuality is bad but the person committing that act is not bad by nature.

Don't get it twisted.

Isn't it fun being a faux preacher?

Are you a Christian calling me a fake preacher?

No, I don't think you are. But correct me if I am wrong.

How am I a fake preacher? Although I will attempt to understand why you think that, I am sure you do not have a coherent answer. Furthermore, how would you be able to distinguish if I was a fake preacher or not?

Do you know how real Christians distinguish fake preachers?

The see the fruits of their labor and the intentions behind the person in question. They read the Bible and look for the definition of a false prophet. We are warned plenty about false prophets. If I was a false prophet I would not be spreading the true message of Christ..

Point to scripture showing that I am a 'faux preacher'. Biblical scripture spoken by God will be a better tool for discerning whether or not I am fraudulently preaching a message of THAT scripture. No offense but you are talking complete and utter nonsense.

Prove me wrong.

originally posted by: tavi45

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: tavi45

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: TechUnique

Eh, I think it's just an inevitable reaction to Western Christian nations slaughtering Muslims and calling them evil.

Pope Francis is the best pope in ages. He's pushing the ideas of love, tolerance, and charity. Last I checked that's kind of Jesus' whole deal.

We are not 'Christian nations'.

Do you believe Jesus Christ died for our sins and was resurrected so that we can be close to god? A true Christian believes in the validity of Christ. A true christian believes that Jesus was and is the TRUE SON OF GOD.

Pope Francis is saying this is a lie so by definition is behaving in accordance to how the Anti Christ is supposed to behave. Further on your point, the majority of our leaders and people are NOT true Christians therefore you cannot blame this on Christian nations slaughtering Muslims.

It was the catholic church that inflicted the majority of the bloodshed. The protestants were true and just. They knew the real message of the bible that Christ is the one true way to god. That is why they revolted against the catholic church because they were trying to suppress this truth by translating the bible into Latin so peasants couldn't read it.

The pope is trying to unify all world religions into one. This is sacrilege as there is only one true religion and the rest are Babylonian knock offs.

Jesus Christ is the only one true way to God.

We are living in times akin to the days of Sodom and Gomorrah. We have never been further apart from God.

Obama parades himself as a hardcore liberal. The terms 'socialist' and 'libertarian' has been perverted to not represent true freedom anymore. The devil masquerades through churches. True Christians aren't pedophiles. The catholic church houses criminals.

Don't bunch Christians together with fake Christians who think homosexuality isn't a sin. These are the same types of 'Christians' who would bow down to Islam as to not be persecuted. This isn't true Christianity. Homosexuality is a sin and I don't hate sinners in the slightest but I don't openly endorse or encourage homosexuality like the media, hollywood and the elite do.

Churches are being forced to marry gay couples or be jailed. That is beyond comprehension. Can you imagine if a Christian tried to force a private gay club to let them be a member? It would be a completely different story.

Islam and homosexuality have both been mollycoddled and allowed to proliferate.. The devil hides behind all false religions. This is why beheading is rampant at the hands of Islamist extremists. Furthermore, this is why Christians are targeted specifically, because they are the direct enemies of Satan.

All I heard was "blah blah blah TRUE CHRISTIANITY IS ABOUT HATRED AND INTOLERANCE blah blah blah KILL ALL THE MUSLIMS, GAYS, AND ATHEISTS blah blah blah JUDGEMENT DAY APPROACHES blah blah blah".

Did I miss anything?

Please tell me how exactly was I preaching a message about intolerance. Is beheading someone cos of their faith intolerance? Or is that acceptable as long as they are Christian?

Oh because Christians hate gays so much. Like I said. True Christians would NEVER persecute someone because of their sin. Whether you like it or not, homosexuality is a sin. God created man for woman not woman for woman or man for man. Satan tries to destroy everything god does or mimic it in a perverted way.

Dude you are persecuting gay people by saying it's a sin. A true Christian would keep their mouth shut and let people live their lives. I guess you haven't read the bible?

Judge not lest ye be judged. Or maybe, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Sorry, I know true Christians. You are not one of them.

"Dude you are persecuting gay people by saying it's a sin." - I am not harassing gay people or attacking them or demonizing them in any way. Please point to where I have. Yes I said homosexuality is a sin. God told us that. If you choose to interpret that as me badmouthing the actual person rather than just one of their actions I disagree with, then you are thoroughly mistaken.

"A true Christian would keep their mouth shut and let people live their lives";
1. A true Christian would speak out when they feel like they should, even in the face of adversity.
2. I am not stopping anyone from living their lives. Where did you get that incredible assertion from?

"I guess you haven't read the bible?" - I read the bible frequently.

"Judge not lest ye be judged. Or maybe, let he who is without sin cast the first stone." - Where have I judged anyone? Where have I 'cast a stone'? I have not said anything in relation to sin that you can't already find yourself in the Bible.

"Sorry, I know true Christians. You are not one of them." - Please explain to me what you define as a true Christian.

a reply to: TechUnique

A true Christian is someone who can look past all the bs in the bible and extract the real message. Tolerance, love, charity, compassion, forgiveness.

"I am not harassing gay people or attacking them or demonizing them in any way. Please point to where I have. Yes I said homosexuality is a sin."

Sorry, I understand that in your brainwashed state you think that telling other people that their love is wrong is perfectly fine. It's not though. When you say homosexuality is a sin you demonize homosexuals. If you want to rationalize your views to think your a good person still that's your thing. Ironic that you made a post about cognitive dissonance because you are exhibiting it.

If you're right and homosexuality is a sin then I'm happy to burn in hell for all eternity because I don't want to live in a heaven of a hateful God. Thankfully I was raised by ACTUAL true Christians who understand that love is never a sin.

Have fun rationalizing all you want. You have a hateful view buried deep inside your mind by corrupt programming. Love is Jesus' real message. I'm sorry you can't see through the trappings designed by corrupt men to imprison the real message.

I pity you for not being able to use your heart, mind, and soul to see the truth of existence. Keep reading that stack of pages written by men. You will never be free as long as you are a slave to that book.

originally posted by: tavi45
You only mentioned Christian persecution in your thread. You then said you think Muslims and gays are bad people. So you care about Christians suffering but not other groups. It's pretty simple.

Perhaps you missed the thread's title...

And IF the OP said that Muslims and gays are bad people, why did you not quote him?

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: TechUnique

A true Christian is someone who can look past all the bs in the bible and extract the real message. Tolerance, love, charity, compassion, forgiveness.

I am going to have to stop you right there.

1. A true Christian follows the infallible word of God. A true Christian does not consider the bible 'bs' that has a message that needs to be extracted from.

I am utterly devastated that you think like this. That is a major distortion of the truth.

a reply to: tavi45

You are talking as if I hate Gay people. I do not hate Gay people I love them as much as I love you, my Christian brothers and sisters and anyone else.

You really have misunderstood me.