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Gerrymandering the Democrat Way

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posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 08:19 AM
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Look at this. Said to be the most extreme example of gerrymandering in the country. Naturally it favors the democrats and displays a clear race manipulation towards its ends.

Whats more is that the recent victory of Dem Luis Gutiérrez over Republican challenger Hector Concepcion demonstrates the left leaning preference of Hispanic voters. Gutierrez crushed Concepcion capturing 78% to 21% of the votes in this concentrated Hispanic district. A fact that clearly proves up the validity of conservative voices who warn that the presidents immigration machination are geared toward replicating this sort of result.



Is this not hilarious?

Illinois 4th District Info


It was featured by The Economist as one of the most strangely drawn and gerrymandered congressional districts in the country and has been nicknamed "earmuffs" due to its shape. It was created to contain two majority Hispanic parts of Chicago. It was created to contain two majority Hispanic parts of Chicago.

This district covers two strips running east-west across the city of Chicago, Illinois on the west side continuing into smaller portions of some suburban areas in Cook County, surrounding Illinois' 7th congressional district. The northern portion is largely Puerto Rican, while the southern portion is heavily Mexican. The two sections are on opposite sides of the city and are only connected by a piece of Interstate 294 to the west; the highway is in the district while the surrounding areas are not.


Just several more districts created like this could and would give the democrats an advantage based on the parties popularity among Hispanic voters. Several million well placed illegals given amnesty, and they may already be in place, would be a real results demonstrable goal for the democrats.






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posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 08:31 AM
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Obama did the same thing

Obama's Gerrymander
www.beachwoodreporter.com...


We've been following the ways that politicians and special interests try to influence the redistricting process for their own gain, often at the expense of voters. An article this week in The New Yorker suggests that President Barack Obama's own political rise in Chicago was partially the result of gerrymandering. As The New Yorker's Ryan Lizza reported, Obama worked with a Democratic redistricting consultant to draw a state senate district tailored for him. Lizza wrote about the incident four years ago, detailing how Obama had learned the hard way that a University of Chicago academic was not necessarily someone whom all of Chicago's African-American voters would trust. In 1999, Obama suffered a serious defeat when he tried to take on longtime South Side Congressman Bobby Rush, who represents a district that is more than 62 percent African-American. Two years later, with the Democrats in control of Illinois redistricting, Obama was apparently able to reshape his state senate district to his own specifications, which included drawing in wealthy supporters from Chicago's Gold Coast.



posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 09:05 AM
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The Twisted History of Gerrymandering



Late in 1788, just after Virginia voted to ratify the Constitution and join the union, former Governor Patrick Henry persuaded the state legislature to remake the 5th Congressional District, forcing Henry’s political enemy James Madison to run against the formidable James Monroe.
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In 1889, the Dakota Territory entered the union as two states, North and South Dakota. The move was orchestrated by the Republican Party, then in control of Congress, to promote the admission of more states in territories leaning toward the party. By the rules for representation in the Electoral College, each state carried at least three electoral votes regardless of its population, meaning Republicans could dramatically increase their presidential chances by letting in the greatest number of GOP-leaning states.
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Tom Delay played a crucial role in Texas’s contentious 2003 redistricting process and helped ensure Republican dominance in his home state.


And why shouldn't the Democrats use the same tactics that the Republicans have used since the founding of this country?

I don't support gerrymandering, regardless of which party does it. I think they should ALL be redrawn, the Electoral College should be abolished and we should stop playing with the voice of the people. Period.



posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 09:18 AM
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Your witnessing the take over of a country by people that destroyed there own country. The argument of " there refugees" is BS, it has always been that way, there are billions of refugee's all over the world, do we take them all in or just the convenient ones on the boarder.

They say there here for the American dream but want to change it to the very same way that destroyed there country.

What's even worse is the majority of people standing by while a rogue POTUS allows this to happen for no other reason then build the Dem base.

The gerrymandering is just another way to meet the agenda of control.
edit on 16-11-2014 by Battleline because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

I often wonder how electing members of the House could be done differently, it's absurd as it is now.



posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 11:33 AM
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This can't be possible.

Why would Democrats want to marginalize lower populated Republican areas?




posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 11:53 AM
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So one example proves the rule?

Talk about hilarious.

Princeton Election Consortium



As correctly pointed out by Nate Silver, members of Congress are increasingly insulated by the increasing polarization of their districts. Ever-larger victory margins reflect ever-safer re-election races.

However, Silver has also restated a common belief. He states that partisan gerrymandering is a symmetric problem, i.e. both Democrats and Republicans do it. Although both sides are potentially motivated, only one side has taken redistricting to extremes. Recent changes in partisan gerrymandering constitute one of the major crises facing our system of government.


Which side is that?



D%vote R%vote D seats R seats
Entire House 50.4% 49.6% 201 234
Arizona 45.6% 54.4% 5 4
Michigan 52.7% 47.3% 5 9
North Carolina 50.9% 49.1% 4 9
Pennsylvania 50.7% 49.3% 5 13
Wisconsin 50.8% 49.2% 3 5

In these five states – and in the nation as a whole – the partisan interests of voters are not being represented fairly.


Notice that this analysis does not consider merely one district in one state, but all the districts in six states, and this is just one study.



America's Most Gerrymandered Political Districts



In addition to North Carolina, Republicans drew district boundaries in Louisiana, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Alabama. Democrats drew districts in West Virginia and Illinois, in addition to Maryland. Boundaries in Kentucky were drawn up by that state's mixed legislature.

Again, the payoff for Republicans is in the makeup of the state's delegations: In those six states, Republicans picked up about 11 more seats than you'd expect from simply looking at the parties' vote shares.


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posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 12:08 PM
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originally posted by: Battleline
Your witnessing the take over of a country by people that destroyed there own country. The argument of " there refugees" is BS, it has always been that way, there are billions of refugee's all over the world, do we take them all in or just the convenient ones on the boarder.

They say there here for the American dream but want to change it to the very same way that destroyed there country.

What's even worse is the majority of people standing by while a rogue POTUS allows this to happen for no other reason then build the Dem base.

The gerrymandering is just another way to meet the agenda of control.


gerrymandering by the democrats to meet the "agenda of control"??...WTF?...there are now 250 republican members of the house out of 435, and 53 republican senators out of 100, also the republicans have a majority of the supreme court....plus the POTUS has absolutely nothing to do with gerrymandering....it's who's in charge of state governments when the U.S. census is done...(every ten years, exam. 1990, 2000, 2010, 2020, etc.)....gerrymandering is done by state governments in those years, of which 31 out of 50 are controlled by republicans......let recap, the republicans are a majority of state governments, in charge of the entire congress, and the supreme court.
as far as immigration....tell the majority of the entire congress to set their asses down, and actually pass a bill that deals with it.



posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 12:12 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
This can't be possible.

Why would Democrats want to marginalize lower populated Republican areas?





for the same reason the republicans did....to marginalize lower populated democratic areas



posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 12:17 PM
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a reply to: jimmyx

I wonder why these tings don't get challenged in court.

Part of the problem is that many Democrat Districts are highly populated in a smaller geographical area.

They are compartmentalized.




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posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 12:40 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

So, are you saying that it's okay for Republicans to gerrymander the heck out of "urban" districts just to disempower Democratic voters? Because they're Democrats each of their sacredly important votes shouldn't count the same?

Do I have this correct?



posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 12:58 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

So, are you saying that it's okay for Republicans to gerrymander the heck out of "urban" districts just to disempower Democratic voters? Because they're Democrats each of their sacredly important votes shouldn't count the same?

Do I have this correct?


No, you don't have this correct.

Try again.




posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 01:19 PM
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I forget that the meaning of words change when you use them Xuenchen.

You feel free to keep making it up as you go along!



posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Maybe they need a change in the formula.

United States congressional apportionment




posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 01:55 PM
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a reply to: jimmyx

The GOP just obtained control of the congress after 8 years, lets hope they do something, if they don't and Hillary walks in then I think we know where we stand and the country will turn into an immigration utopia for immigrant's that don't want to assimilate but to take what they can tell it all comes down.

Its a high price to pay for control of a country.

Socialist/communist don't seem to care what the outcome is, like parasites they will just move on to another country. IMO



posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: Logarock

Gerrymandering - another word for getting your team a few more yards down the field into advantageous territory for the big score! I mean, two party politics is just a giant football game, no? Teams and players are "sponsored" and tons of money flows into advertising with a big prize for whomever wins the most points...er... I mean "seats." And their owners (hint - not the average Joe in the stands) lap up the behind the scenes power.

It's part of the game people, and until the Ref (SCOTUS) says different, Gerrymandering is merely a tactic. If the other side does it, and it ain't illegal, why shouldn't both??

peace,
AB

ETA - please read the above with heavy handed sarcasm. I do not like Gerrymandering. It seems ridiculous...
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posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 02:32 PM
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originally posted by: Logarock
Look at this. Said to be the most extreme example of gerrymandering in the country. Naturally it favors the democrats and displays a clear race manipulation towards its ends.

Whats more is that the recent victory of Dem Luis Gutiérrez over Republican challenger Hector Concepcion demonstrates the left leaning preference of Hispanic voters. Gutierrez crushed Concepcion capturing 78% to 21% of the votes in this concentrated Hispanic district. A fact that clearly proves up the validity of conservative voices who warn that the presidents immigration machination are geared toward replicating this sort of result...

Just several more districts created like this could and would give the democrats an advantage based on the parties popularity among Hispanic voters. Several million well placed illegals given amnesty, and they may already be in place, would be a real results demonstrable goal for the democrats.



S&F You're right. I have no doubt the Dems are planning to use the Hispanic vote to stay in power.

Obama nominee for Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, is also AGAINST Voter ID. What a surprise.
Makes me want to puke.



posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 02:43 PM
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originally posted by: Battleline
Your witnessing the take over of a country by people that destroyed there own country. The argument of " there refugees" is BS, it has always been that way, there are billions of refugee's all over the world, do we take them all in or just the convenient ones on the boarder.

They say there here for the American dream but want to change it to the very same way that destroyed there country.

What's even worse is the majority of people standing by while a rogue POTUS allows this to happen for no other reason then build the Dem base.

The gerrymandering is just another way to meet the agenda of control.


Destroying national boundaries & national sovereignty is part of the NWO agenda -- the end goal is a cabal that controls everything in the world. Think Bilderbergers. The Dems are on the fast track to the NWO.



posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 02:43 PM
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Or we could just increase the number of representatives and chop up all those gerrymandered districts...

That's just crazy talk though, not like it was a regular occurrence for the first 125 years of the republic.



posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 03:02 PM
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I've never liked the tactics politicians in state governments use to manipulate things in their favor. Both parties have done this, but unfortunately it appears that the Republicans are better at it and since they control more state governments....we should expect more it.



A fact that clearly proves up the validity of conservative voices who warn that the presidents immigration machination are geared toward replicating this sort of result.


What conservative voices? I have yet to find a true conservative in congress, in the MSM or even on talk radio. If you said neoconservative, I would agree. Conservatism no longer means what it once did. The real conservatives are quickly jumping ship and going to the Libertarian party.



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