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originally posted by: cuckooold
Do people believe that there are women out there who have the mission to have as many abortions as they physically can in order to gain more power, and because men are not necessary?
I ask you the question again, are you a feminist? I know I am.
By your definition, feminism is concerned with the rights of women.
a reply to: LesMisanthrope But isn't 'equality' in general (fail English here...) about getting equal *with* something? As in: White people had certain rights and privileges black or native people didn't, and so they needed emancipation to get to the same level? You can't get more rights if you have all of them already. Sure there're civil rights issues, I don't deny that, but isn't that a whole other discussion/subject?
Own it or don't, that wasn't character assassination - it was just plain old illumination
But trying to pass it off ass egalitarianism is a stretch of the imagination.
Is this because you think it's not so much about elevating the position of women in society - and giving her equality?
Is it more because, while attempting to bring herself out of subjugation - she had to step on some toes to do it?
Do you really feel so downtrodden and woe begotten as all that Les? Do you resent a woman's need to feel free?
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
What rights does a man have that a woman doesn't?
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
No I completely agree with the definition of feminism as it stands. It is concerned about the rights for women.
5. I am far less likely to face sexual harassment at work than my female co-workers are. (More).
7. If I’m a teen or adult, and if I can stay out of prison, my odds of being raped are relatively low. (More).
9. If I choose not to have children, my masculinity will not be called into question.
19. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether or not it has sexist overtones.
22. If I’m careless with my driving it won’t be attributed to my sex.
24. Even if I sleep with a lot of women, there is no chance that I will be seriously labeled a “slut,” nor is there any male counterpart to “slut-bashing.” (More).
25. I do not have to worry about the message my wardrobe sends about my sexual availability. (More).
30. I can be aggressive with no fear of being called a bitch.
33. My ability to make important decisions and my capability in general will never be questioned depending on what time of the month it is.
34. I will never be expected to change my name upon marriage or questioned if I don’t change my name.
44. Complete strangers generally do not walk up to me on the street and tell me to “smile.” (More: 1 2).
45. Sexual harassment on the street virtually never happens to me. I do not need to plot my movements through public space in order to avoid being sexually harassed, or to mitigate sexual harassment. (More.)
46. I have the privilege of being unaware of my male privilege.
Equality and rights are two different things.
If you are a male, you have certain privileges.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Pitou
a reply to: LesMisanthrope But isn't 'equality' in general (fail English here...) about getting equal *with* something? As in: White people had certain rights and privileges black or native people didn't, and so they needed emancipation to get to the same level? You can't get more rights if you have all of them already. Sure there're civil rights issues, I don't deny that, but isn't that a whole other discussion/subject?
It is indeed. And it was once about that sort of equality.
So let's then answer this question. What rights does a man have that a woman doesn't?
I suppose the rights that a man has that a woman normally does not have revolves around sexual objectification.
She normally is forced into sexually objectifying herself, men generally do not feel that distasteful pressure;
originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
But trying to pass it off ass egalitarianism is a stretch of the imagination.
Is this because you think it's not so much about elevating the position of women in society - and giving her equality?
Is it more because, while attempting to bring herself out of subjugation - she had to step on some toes to do it?
Do you really feel so downtrodden and woe begotten as all that Les? Do you resent a woman's need to feel free?
Or, do you deny that women have not been free?
I believe it creates a bogey man, while making women out to be perpetual victims. It is, by definition, sexist.
In order to elevate her, she must be put above someone. So who are you putting her above?
So, they've never had any legitimate complaints?
How is it sexist?