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The Modern Scientific History that spawned Planet X.

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posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 04:20 AM
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originally posted by: woogleuk
If I remember rightly (and I'm sure I've brought this up on ATS before), Planet X (originally) was just Pluto, but Lowell, who was searching for it (the planet which Lowell believed had a gravitational effect on the orbits of Neptune and Uranus) died before Pluto was discovered.


Yes that's basically correct. Where it got a little weird is that pluto is too small to be the hypothetical planet X. It only became planet X when they adjusted Neptunes mass down, so that the smaller than hypothesized pluto still made sense. I haven't looked at it closely enough to know whether that's all good science, but it is what the official story is.

They adjusted the mass of Neptune down based on voyager 2 I think?

So really planet X after that time became a different concept. The "planet X" I grew up with was based on the 80s stuff. IRAS..
edit on 16-11-2014 by KnightLight because: (no reason given)




posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 11:31 AM
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Exo planets are not a type of planet. They are planets in other solar systems. With your logic we need to include every planet in the entire universe but planet x is only about our solar system and the planet's contained therein. Not about planets in other solar systems that have nothing to do with the question at all. a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness



posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 11:55 AM
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a reply to: KnightLight

It only became planet X when they adjusted Neptunes mass down, so that the smaller than hypothesized pluto still made sense.
No.

Prior to accurate measurements of the mass of Neptune, it was thought that perturbations in the orbit of Uranus were being caused by an undiscovered planet. Pluto did not fit the bill and neither would a smaller planet.
www.princeton.edu...



posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: DeadSeraph
a reply to: Sublimecraft

Credible sources would be nice. Bullets do not make this any more believable than Sitchin's speculation on Nibiru.


Clearly something is effecting all of the planets at the moment and it seems to be getting worse even as our own magnetic pole increases movement.

www.nytimes.com...



By Thomas O'Toole, Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 30, 1983 ; Page A1

A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth
that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation
Orion by an orbiting telescope aboard the U.S. infrared astronomical satellite.

planet-x.150m.com...



Why 1983 is When Our World Changed
You can read a watered-down cover-up on Wikipedia, the truth about what IRAS found in 1983 and how it changed the course of human history is profound.

The real back story on IRAS was given to us by John Maynard, Defense Intelligence Agency (Retired) who played an instrumental role in the creation of Yowusa.com in 1999 and then worked with Dr. Greer's CSETI Disclosure Project.

What Maynard told us in 2000, was that while IRAS was publicly touted as a wide sky survey space based infrared telescope, it was built as a result of the preliminary data coming from the Pioneer probes suggesting a large body at the edge of our solar system.

He further maintains that NASA found Planet X and this corroborated by a December 30, 1983 article published by the Washington Post.

www.barry.warmkessel.com...
Photocopies of newspaper articles reporting the discovery of an object possibly as large as Jupiter (Our Vulcan) or a nearby protostar
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: Char-Lee


Clearly something is effecting all of the planets at the moment and it seems to be getting worse even as our own magnetic pole increases movement.
All of the planets? How are they being affected? What makes you think they are all being affected by the same thing?



Oh, you left out this part of the Washington Post article:

So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a nearby “protostar” that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of the light cast by its stars ever gets through.

“All I can tell you is that we don’t know what it is,” Dr. Gerry Neugebauer, IRAS chief scientist for California’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and director of the Palomar Observatory for the California Institute of Technology, said in an interview.

planet-x.150m.com...



When taken in full context, the article does give a pretty fair representation of what the original paper says, though for some reason the press narrowed it down to one object (we don't know which one) and the original paper talked about nine. Of course, no one really paid much attention to it at the time. Then, much later, the Nibiru crowd got a hold of it and started taking liberties with the context.

Here are the nine objects discussed by Houck, Neugebauer, et al. in their paper (with their designations and coordinates. Note the "1950 position" is in reference to using the 1950 epoch coordinates, it has nothing to do with when the objects were found.).

What the paper says about them is this:

Data have been presented on nine point sources found the the course of the IRAS minisurvey with no obvious identified optical counterparts brighter than 18.5 mag. A number of candidate identifications have been considered including near-solar system, galactic, and extragalactic objects. Further observations at infrared and other wavelengths may provide additional information in support of one of these conjectures, or perhaps these objects will require entirely different interpretations.

adsbit.harvard.edu...

Aaronson and Olszewski had already identifed 0422+009 as a galaxy (1984).
adsabs.harvard.edu...

Low et al. had already identified 0412+085 as infrared cirrus (1984).
articles.adsabs.harvard.edu...

In 1985 Houck et al. published Unidentified IRAS Sources: Ultrahigh-Luminosity Galaxies. After the original IRAS survey, six of the unknown objects were subjected to further study with the Hale telescope at Palomar. Hale identified optical sources at the location of six of the infrared sources seen by IRAS and identified them:
0358+223: a galaxy with a jetlike structure
0404+101: an "almost spiral-like" galaxy
0413+122: a group of three galaxies, one of which shows an obvious redshift
1703+049: a galaxy
1712+100: a galaxy
1732+239: a galaxy
articles.adsabs.harvard.edu...

That leaves one unidentified infrared source; 0425-012. In 1985 Antonucci and Olszewski identified it as...a galaxy.
articles.adsabs.harvard.edu...

Nine unknown infrared sources discovered with an instrument never before used, a space-based infrared telescope. Upon further study (actually more of a race to figure out what they were), 8 were found to be galaxies which though dim in visible light were very bright in infrared, and 1 was found to be clouds of material emitting infrared radiation. That's what astronomical research is about.

IRAS did not find an previously unknown object in the Solar System and neither did WISE.
phys.org...


edit on 11/16/2014 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft

Nice Thread. S&F

Thank you for the interesting reading material, and for sharing the video.

I don't have much to say, besides that the mysterious planet X will always be a part of the doom porn arsenal, perhaps even in the future if/when they can truly say for sure, without a doubt that it never existed.

To: skunkape23
I found the ending scene of Melancholia very sad, somehow peaceful, and even beautiful. But yes, very sad. I hope that will never happen.



posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 02:29 PM
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a reply to: Char-Lee

"Something effecting all the planets at the moment"...

Could it be this? Temp. 6000 C.?

Check it out Link : science.nasa.gov...

A massive magnetic interstellar cloud.




posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 02:33 PM
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a reply to: Wildmanimal




Could it be this? Temp. 6000 C.?

Not really. The solar wind is a lot hotter than that (about 1,000,000ºC), much, much denser and it does a good job of keeping most interstellar matter out of the Solar System.
www.qrg.northwestern.edu...

The fact is, the "changes" in some of the other planets that are claimed to be due to some unknown cause, are likely to be seasonal variations. Neptune has very long seasons. We have not had the capability of studying climates anywhere but Earth for very long.
edit on 11/16/2014 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 03:00 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Char-Lee


Clearly something is effecting all of the planets at the moment and it seems to be getting worse even as our own magnetic pole increases movement.
All of the planets? How are they being affected? What makes you think they are all being affected by the same thing?



Oh, you left out this part of the Washington Post article:

So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a nearby “protostar” that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of the light cast by its stars ever gets through.
“All I can tell you is that we don’t know what it is,” Dr. Gerry Neugebauer, IRAS chief scientist for California’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and director of the Palomar Observatory for the California Institute of Technology, said in an interview.

planet-x.150m.com...
When taken in full context, the article does give a pretty fair representation of what the original paper says, though for some reason the press narrowed it down to one object (we don't know which one) and the original paper talked about nine. Of course, no one really paid much attention to it at the time. Then, much later, the Nibiru crowd got a hold of it and started taking liberties with the context.
Here are the nine objects discussed by Houck, Neugebauer, et al. in their paper (with their designations and coordinates. Note the "1950 position" is in reference to using the 1950 epoch coordinates, it has nothing to do with when the objects were found.).

What the paper says about them is this:

Data have been presented on nine point sources found the the course of the IRAS minisurvey with no obvious identified optical counterparts brighter than 18.5 mag. A number of candidate identifications have been considered including near-solar system, galactic, and extragalactic objects. Further observations at infrared and other wavelengths may provide additional information in support of one of these conjectures, or perhaps these objects will require entirely different interpretations.

adsbit.harvard.edu...
Aaronson and Olszewski had already identifed 0422+009 as a galaxy (1984).
adsabs.harvard.edu...
Low et al. had already identified 0412+085 as infrared cirrus (1984).
articles.adsabs.harvard.edu...

In 1985 Houck et al. published Unidentified IRAS Sources: Ultrahigh-Luminosity Galaxies. After the original IRAS survey, six of the unknown objects were subjected to further study with the Hale telescope at Palomar. Hale identified optical sources at the location of six of the infrared sources seen by IRAS and identified them:
0358+223: a galaxy with a jetlike structure
0404+101: an "almost spiral-like" galaxy
0413+122: a group of three galaxies, one of which shows an obvious redshift
1703+049: a galaxy
1712+100: a galaxy
1732+239: a galaxy
articles.adsabs.harvard.edu...
That leaves one unidentified infrared source; 0425-012. In 1985 Antonucci and Olszewski identified it as...a galaxy.
articles.adsabs.harvard.edu...
Nine unknown infrared sources discovered with an instrument never before used, a space-based infrared telescope. Upon further study (actually more of a race to figure out what they were), 8 were found to be galaxies which though dim in visible light were very bright in infrared, and 1 was found to be clouds of material emitting infrared radiation. That's what astronomical research is about.
IRAS did not find an previously unknown object in the Solar System and neither did WISE.
phys.org...

Changes have been happening since the 90's, they argue about cause and no one seems to agree on anything but there are changes. The one thing I see all the time is "they don't know why".


Jupiter's Great Red Spot — the most powerful storm in the solar system — is at its smallest observed size yet, and scientists aren't sure why.



NASA's Cassini spacecraft has tracked the aftermath of a rare massive storm on Saturn. Data reveal record-setting disturbances in the planet's upper atmosphere



Jupiter is growing a new red spot.



“Global warming on Neptune's moon Triton as well as Jupiter and Pluto, and now Mars has some [scientists] scratching their heads over what could possibly be in common with the warming of all these planets … Could there be something in common with all the planets in our solar system that might cause them all to warm at the same time?”

There have been changes in the sun



While scientists had predicted that the next flip would begin from May 2013, the solar observation satellite Hinode found that the north pole of the sun had started flipping about a year earlier than expected. There was no noticeable change in the south pole.

The researchers found signs of unusual magnetic changes in the sun.




posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 03:01 PM
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Hercolubus inbound.

Hercolubus.tv



posted on Nov, 16 2014 @ 03:28 PM
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a reply to: Char-Lee

Changes have been happening since the 90's, they argue about cause and no one seems to agree on anything but there are changes. The one thing I see all the time is "they don't know why".
You said "all the planets". But tell me, how would a distant planet affect weather on planets without affecting their orbits?



The researchers found signs of unusual magnetic changes in the sun.
What unusual magnetic changes would that be?

The magnetic "reversal" happened as expected.
www.spacedaily.com...



posted on Nov, 17 2014 @ 02:24 PM
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a reply to: Phage

The temperature of the Corona is stated as approximately 1,000,000 C.
The Solar wind around earth is 150,000 K.
Or about 149,727 C.

Temperatures of the solar wind have been measured by Voyager 1 & 2
at the outer areas of our solar system and they vary considerably.

Here is a link to an MIT paper on the subject that you might find interesting.

Link : space.mit.edu...

Currently the storms on Uranus have been mentioned in the news.
There appears to be some uncertainty as to why the storms are occuring now.
As the storms are quite a delayed reaction for Uranus current position from the Sun.

Is it possible that forces coming into contact with our Heliosphere are creating
external influence?

Would not an Interstellar Magnetic Cloud potentially have an effect without
strong gravitational aspects? As opposed to a hypothetical Planet X.


S&F to the O.P. by the way
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posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 04:23 PM
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Pardon the thread necromancy, but the research I've been doing for this post has been going on for some months now.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
• In 2008 it was reported that Google Sky was missing a patch of data from the constellation Orion - the response from Google scientists was that the missing data was due to a glitch in the stitching software used to piece the images together.


I won't cover the previous points as they've pretty well been covered by Phage already in this thread. I do want to thank you OP for giving a bullet point breakdown of the video you posted.

The "missing section" of google sky is not really missing and never has been. Google did not take those images, they used pre-existing sky survey data, photos that had been around for decades, and stitched it together to produce an all-sky mosaic for their software. Thus while it is true that a glitch in their stitching process produced a missing section, that's only half the story.

I personally find it rather incredible how little true curiosity or research is done by "conspiracy researchers" who bring this story up. They seem satisfied to simply "point out the anomaly" and leave it at that, your video is no exception. The truth is that the image has been available long before Google Sky existed, and because Google Sky is a second hand source of the images and because they were put through so much processing to make the mosaic, they should never be used as a primary source for sky survey images. They contain many artifacts, glitches, stitching seams, additional compression, and other issues (including the missing section) that are not present in the original source material. In this case the original source material is the Digitized Sky Survey, a digital scan of the Palomar Sky Survey and its southern hemisphere counterpart, the Southern Sky Atlas (SERC-J), which were both photographic sky surveys performed using virtually identical telescopes in the northern and southern hemispheres decades ago. The film plates were then scanned and became DSS. DSS was then used by Google to create Google Sky. And yet no conspiracy researcher I've seen has ever dug that far, let alone gone to the primary source to get the "missing picture." Yet it's readily available online! Real researchers use primary sources precisely because of reasons like this.

Well I have downloaded the relevant plates for the "missing section's" coordinates and here is the resulting image:

Again, this image has been available from the primary source (DSS) longer than google sky has been around. Here's the webpage where you can request these images:
archive.stsci.edu...
Well recently it came to my attention that there actually is something present in the above image which isn't normally there in that section of the sky. I circled it here:
h.dropcanvas.com...
The image is comprised of three different monochromatic film plates, the anomaly is only present on one of the plates, specifically the blue sensitive film plate. The three plates are combined to produce the color image, but only the blue plate contains this anomaly. And to top it off your jaw is going to hit the floor when you hear when the blue film plate was recorded... December 29th, 1983, the day before the fateful Washington Post article already discussed on this thread. So isn't that proof that planet X is real, and it was captured by the SERC-J picture missing from Google Sky?!

Well, remember, DSS are digital scans of film plates, the film itself is the original source material, not the digital images you can get online. The process of scanning might introduce dust, debris, and even reflections that aren't actually there in the original film. Remember, the image is actually composed of three different film plates, the anomaly only looks blue because it was only in the blue film plate image. The blue film plate image is "black and white" (greyscale), the anomaly has no color in the digital scan of the plate, only in my color composite of all three plates. There's no telling what its true color really is, so it could be anything from debris to a reflection or it could be a real sky object of any given color. The only way to confirm what it really is or whether it's real at all is to examine the film negatives.

Now at this point the journey to find the truth requires one to leave his chair, his basement, his apartment, whatever, and do things the old fashioned way... visit a library. Not just any library either, but a library containing one of the few copies of the negatives from the SERC-J atlas. Ironically if the conspiracy researchers had reached this point they would have stopped here and simply created viral videos based on what they found so far. After all, the "missing image" of google sky really does contain an anomaly in Orion, and it was taken the day before the Washington post article about a mysterious body near Orion! Just think, if they had done some real digging like a proper researcher they could have found all this out and had a money making viral video machine sitting in their lap. If I were dishonest I could have done the same thing and milked this story for tons of views and ad money on youtube. I will admit the thought of that did seem tempting at one point. But instead I took the harder road and kept digging. I flew up to Michigan last month where I paid a visit to the University of Michigan's library. They possess an original copy of the film negatives from the SERC-J atlas. Anyone can come view them for free, though they are so rare and valuable that you are not allowed to leave the library with them. But if you call them up and ask to see them you can spend as much time as you like in the library looking through box after box containing the huge negatives stored in laminated transparency sleeves. In this case I was after one plate specifically, the plate containing the anomaly, S769.

I found it without issue, no one had hidden it. It's not an item frequently requested; most people simply use the much easier to find DSS online, and unfortunately the library building they brought them to for me to look through them did not have a light box. Bring your own if you want to see it for yourself (and by all means, go look for yourself if you don't believe me, anyone can). I improvised with what I had on hand at the time, which was an LCD screen from a computer. I pulled a flat white image on the monitor to serve as a light box to illuminate the negative from behind and photographed it with my SLR camera. The makeshift approach means you can see the LCD pixel grid pattern in the image I took and there's a bit of perspective distortion, but the image did solve with astrometry software anyway. Inspection of the film negative and of the pictures I took of it showed that the anomaly is not there in the image, it is therefore simply a scanning artifact and the date and location are a coincidence. For the astrometric solution below I inverted the colors of the image to make it a "positive" instead of a negative:
nova.astrometry.net...
There's a KMZ file there you can download to overlay it in google sky. I'll be making a video about all of this and more related to "google sky anomalies" shortly.



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