Sexism, Misogyny and the rise and rise and rise of the internet asshole....

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: InTheLight

How are you a target, inthelight? I picture you as a strong person.

Therein lies the reason.

That's such a wonderful response.. I love it..

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: tony9802

If people project enough of their offline life on to the Internet, ie. Their address, lifestyle etc, so that a bully may bully them offline, how is this online bullying?

The online bully, takes advantage of the internet, searching for and finding the personal details of the person they wish to pursue offline. Online bullying becomes offline criminal conduct; Online bullying then, has the potential, and it frequently does, to even become offline stalking, in continuation of online bullying, where the bullying had originally all started in the first place.


Is that clearer for you now? Online bullying is carried over into the real world with offline bullying and stalking. The online predator becomes an offline predator. It's simply a continuum.. from virtual world to real world..


Don't try to get too clever about this though, lest you expose your analytical and rhetorical misgivings..



By the way, the T in "their," need not be capitalized! Just another grammatical error to point out to you, since you're so fond of undermining other's power of opinion by pointing out grammatical mistakes in order to weaken their sense of authority, strength and leadership concerning any given topic.

Those type of momentary "digs" are unnecessary weak retaliative shots aren't they.. Also why would someone who claims to follow theater and plays as important as Les Miserables and Le Misanthrope chose to point those moments out (ex: irregardless), unless they had no other recourse and no other opportunity to say something important and relevant..

Perhaps you are actually merely then some type of bemused struggling actor, who loves a bit of theater..


Are you an actor at all by chance?

a reply to: Bluesma

You have confused "equal" with "same" or "identical".
Things, people, actions, qualities, can be equal in value, and different.
They do not need to be the same, to be equal.

Apples and oranges are different, yet equal, for example.

Apples and oranges are not equal, apples and apples are not equal. They may be apples but one could be more tastier then the other, or one could be red and the other green. Its like this apples are apples, and oranges are oranges, the word equal does not even equate to them, it has no business being there in the way your trying to go on about it.

Not unless you put it on some sort of context.

For instance. An example. This apple and this orange are equal in weight. Do you see that? Context. Now equal actually means something, instead of it being just some bland phrase that people spit out like a child that has just leaned a new word or phrase while watching a Saturday morning cartoons.

I mean jezz. Duh!

a reply to: WhiteAlice
Ah this whole thing is blown out of proportion.

For every thing anybody could bring up there is a flip side to it, I mean sure females get more hassle online, but then in any medium out there I found plenty who basked in all the attention they were getting. I mean have you looked at YouTube or some sites, even in gaming, its full of female who bask in all the attention they get from men like a lizards basks in the sun on a hot day. Even on this site it happens, though not as much now. So ya, for every plus side, there is a negative side, and for every negative there is a plus.

For instance even on YouTube there as some channels by women were all they do is just sit around on a camera and comment on the many different things they get up to, like making tea, or driving the car, or sitting around, or talking on camera about sitting around, lets just say its so stupid and meaningless, but they get hits, most especially from the other sex. And well you know you have a mass of guys commenting on things on those channels, some even follow them around like a lost puppy. And its not only youtube, its pretty much every site, and dont even mention dating sites, now that is some highly hilarious stuff, some I even heard that if there really good looking some even get hundreds of responses per day.

Though some of these things are pretty interesting even hilarious, I mean check this out, on YouTube this chick got over 13 million hits on this one video, and shes pretty good at impersonating what different languages sound like, and even pretty witty on going on about the things she sucks at, even hilarious with the impromptu sexual reference things she says. But do you think that if it was some guy, that it would get the numbers of viewers she is getting? Hellz freaking no. In fact even back when I first seen this video I only watched it because it was a girl on it, if it was a guy I would pass by it without a thought. So ya for every up there is a down, and vice versa. And that girl who had the PayPal donation account, well its far from the strangest thing I seen. But really, more power to her I suppose, if actually people pay to support her gaming habit. I am sure she got a lot of donations! And I am quite sure all who donated were guys.


So ya! It all just depends on what you are looking at and how you handle it, or interpret it, or the outlook of it. And for the majority I am not sure this whole getting # online has much to do with being female, I think it has just as much to do with the fact that they can get away with it, and because it riles women up. And if they get a response. Well that is what there aiming for. Just like bullies will keep bullying if they know they can.

Guys get that to, it just does not happen as much because well, we generally talk back. Somebody goes on talking # to me online. I maybe avoid it, or I maybe I tell them to take a stick and shove it up were the sun dont shine, and get the funk off my landline. And off course, generally the conversation and # talking ends there.

Basically I think a greater part of the things females get online is because there targets, and it effects them, which just leads to more of the same thing. And why guys dont get as much of it online is because, well it does not really effect us that much, it may even go right over our heads. Lets just say I am not setting there thinking on why somebody called me something or said something personal about be online.

a reply to: SearchLightsInc

As soon as i saw this thread i knew exactly what type of poster's would be frequenting this thread, i click in and my women's intuition is proven correct, as always.

A women's intuition! Whats that? Is it like how bears can sense honey and picnic baskets? Or how a compass magnet would always point north? Or how ducks know when its time to fly south for the winter season? It does sound so mysterious.

But I suppose if you have this women's intuition thing, then that would mean that your actually a woman, which would mean that your actually female, which I do confess I did doubt.

But anyways, sorry I call shenanigans on this whole woman's intuition thing. I think you just made that up and there is no such thing, or if there is, well then it cant be as profound as you make it out to sound. But ya OK! I am sure that whatever this woman's intuition thing is it no doubt woks as you think it does.

All i can say is, if you or anyone is trying to down-talk someone over a game then you or they must have very low self esteem issues. And with that in mind, we know its always the guys with self esteem issue's that bully people weaker than them, in this game, giving # to female gamers purely because they are female.

I think I said it before on this thread.

I dont generally talk in those online games, or if I do its just to comment on something during the game or some comment that was said to me or if somebody pissed me off by saying something. Even when I was playing with people who did put people down and talk smack regularly, one guy I know got banned over 4 times for it in a few short weeks. Do you know how many people must complain to or send letters in to the game makers to get banned for being rude and talking smack?

Hundreds generally, and considering we generally played hardcore games against other teams and on any given night we would play for at least 5 hours match up with different teams, in one night we would play against hundreds or thousands of different people from all over the world, mostly dudes, but once in a while females. So in one night the dude would probably insulted at the very least a few thousand people online, calling them all kinds of names, and even insulting there grandma if it got a response out of them. And all to get a kick out of it, or to trip them up when playing the game, that guy took the whole thing way serious, this was all many many years ago mostly on the older halo games, and even a bit on the gears of war game.

I however was the more silent type, besides my team more then enough talking for me and then some. Sometimes I would even put my team on mute and talk to them knowing that whatever they said I wouldn't hear. It was hilarious, it would sometimes amuse me that they got pissed off that I muted them. I am sure they must have called me all kinds of names. However I did not hear any of them, so it does not matter to me.

But ya I am quite sure the gods quite amused as well, that is if there not bored to death watching human dramas, if I was them and if this all was a spectator type of thing. Well I just may flip the channel on the whole human experience thing. I mean sure its interesting and all, but...What else is on.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

you do realize that women and men have certain skills related to child rearing? mwahaha. mom has eyes in the back of her head (and the front of her head too. doh). no really, she does.

As a long, long time heavily active user of the net (starting from BBS services) and a gamer, I have seen a lot of groups and discussions. long ago it was mostly a guy thing, computer nerds doing their thing, and the odd female here and there.
I now see the discussion going on about sexism, misogony, etc. it started as a social movement impacting mainly entertainment venues (games) and is sort of pressing out more to other areas.

I will say this, it is utter crap. This absolute false premise is being pushed by censor monkeys wanting to remove anonymity and engage some terrible political correctness within social mediums. You will find the most vocal of this nonsense movement are men "mansplaining" to women how they are treated as second class citizens, brutalized, etc. But studies show men are far, far more bullied and threatened on the net than women.

It is crap, the thread is crap, and the mod is incorrect.

Is there some sexists on the net? sure. same with (a hell of a lot more) racists, homophobes, etc...dismiss them, stop putting freaking spotlights.
If some racist jerk goes on about white power and such, it is bad form for white guys to shine lights on that person and say that's how most of the net is, it must be terrible to be a black person on the net, etc...

Stop moving this social control warrior movement..it isn't about sexism, its about creating a false narrative.


Stop reactionary following. learn the facts, and then question why these bogus narratives are being pushed in full force all of a sudden.

a reply to: SaturnFX

the big elephant in the room is marginalization.

one group wants to marginalize women
another group wants to marginalize men
one wants to marginalize religion
another wants to marginalize lack of religion
one wants to marginalize democrats
the other wants to marginalize republicans
one wants to marginalize capitalists
the other wants to marginalize socialists
one wants to marginalize specific religions
the other wants to marginalize all religions except their own

one wants to marginalize western women
the other wants to marginalize all women
and another wants to marginalize women of their own world view only (weird)
and yet another, only wants to marginalize women of a specific world view
repeat the last four for men as well

some want to marginalize fraternal orders
others want to marginalize anyone not in a fraternal order
add to that infighting between fraternal orders

in short, people want to control the social order reallllllllllllllly badly, and they want their view so badly, they are willing to go to any extreme necessary to shut up the opposition.

i'm going with the theory that this is the hegelian dialectic in action. and it's currently in the mode of changing the face of the planet, not a little bit, but alot.

a reply to: tony9802

I'm sorry but searching someone on the internet is not bullying, nor is it "verbal" abuse. You've only muddied the water instead of cleared it up.

As for miscapitalization, Yes that's the downfall of attempting to type on a cell phone. Big thumbs and all. But point well made on your part. Your hypocrisy is almost as creative as your username. At least if someone were to stalk you offline, you've helped them with the first step.

No I am not an actor, but I can give you an autograph nonetheless. To tony....

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

Correct me if I'm wrong but what I'm reading is that if you're attractive and female, then you must use the internet differently because any views that you get are going to be based on your attractiveness? Would you prefer women to wear burkhas in online videos? Should we further even the online playing field by eliminating videos of kittens, puppies and other baby animals because they're cute, too, and since they're cute, they get a whole lot more attention? Or should we have an entirely different set of rules based on female attractiveness that limits their use of the online medium for communication? Pretty sure that last one has fundamental and serious First Amendment issues though

sexism (sĕkˈsĭzˌəm)
n. Discrimination based on gender, especially discrimination against women.
n. Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender.

www.wordnik.com...

After reading several of your posts, I'm ready to say that the second definition absolutely applies to you, galadofwarthethird. You consistently stereotype women based on any action that others may do even if they are a small fraction of the entirety of women on this planet, which, btw, is roughly 3.4 billion in number. I could sit here and view you through the light of every single bad (and sometimes quite bad) interaction I've had historically. However, I do not because I learned that not all men are alike and they most certainly do not deserve to be painted with the same brush. Instead, I look at men individually and decide their natures based on their most consistent behaviors. Maybe you should try that sometime.

Some women in this thread really enjoy basking in victim hood, what a shame that so many are willing to oblige.

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originally posted by: tony9802

That's such a wonderful response.. I love it..

Simple answers satisfy simple minds I guess...

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

The context is clear in the topic of this thread, Sexism, Misogyny.

Definition of misogyny-
Misogyny (/mɪˈsɒdʒɪni/) is the hatred or dislike of women or girls

Sexism-is prejudice or discrimination based on a person's sex or gender.


Note I wrote “can” be equal in value.
This was to aid you in comprehending the view expressed by others-
Females and males can be considered both equally valuable to a human society, though they are different .

You can disagree with that, you can feel one gender is more valuable than another relative to a society.

As a group of fruit, apples can be equal to oranges.
As individuals, one apple can be better than an orange, relative to specific usages.
But here, we speak of a larger context, not individuals.

The importance being (for people who are pro-gender equality)
If we can start at that base, then two individuals can be compared according to their individual traits, or skills, not their gender.

Ex: Two people applying for a job, with the same level of experience and education, shouldn’t be chosen according to what gender they happen to be.

When we speak of cooperation between organisms, mutualistic or symbiotic relationships, then differing organisms become equally valuable relative to that group.

a reply to: Bluesma

Ex: Two people applying for a job, with the same level of experience and education, shouldn’t be chosen according to what gender they happen to be.

Funny.
Yet to fill government mandated quotas employers absolutely have to select according to gender.

originally posted by: HarbingerOfShadows
a reply to: Bluesma



Funny.
Yet to fill government mandated quotas employers absolutely have to select according to gender.

I don't find that very funny, myself. Whatever floats your boat.

a reply to: HarbingerOfShadows
I can see the point of wanting to try and equalize things, but they are going about it all wrong. There are not less women in STEM due to patriarchy and comic shirts, there are less women in STEM because they fail to get girls interested and great at math when they are young. For one example.

As I've said, I think the verbal baiting that goes on between individuals in a competative arena has it's value, though I think it can be inappropriate in other arenas which are for cooperation or creative exchange.

That goes for members of both genders, and should only be limited according to the intended interaction in the environment.

Obviously, gaming is competative. Expect mudslinging. Expect that females will be perceived as "easy targets" for verbal impact and probably get the first or most shots.

The OP asked:

So why aren't these assholes rounded on/drowned out/stepped on? Why aren't the nomal guys - the decent ones - the thinkers, the responsible ones, why aren't we reporting this in droves?

I think most aren't reporting it when it happens in gaming, or in debate forums, because it is part of the intent.

But what about in discussion forums not set up for conflict? In which it is specifically asked that racist or sexist slurs not be used, and effort made at decorum and consideration?

In this thread, for example, there are comments such as

Listen you. There is no such thing as equality in the very sense of the word, most especially among females, in fact most do not understand or are able to grasp the meaning of the word

This is only one comment, and there are much worse ones on this site which insult women as a group, and all they get are stars. No male here said anything to that.

It isn't so much that this was from a male, speaking to a female (it was), but that it is making a sexist remark about the intelligence of females altogether.

I am pointing this out to provide an opportunity for the OP, or any other male who shared the OP's line of thought, to introspect and find the answers to that question (perhaps they are not the same for each).
You don't need to post it for everyone to see, and I don't demand it in response. This is for thought provocation. (I am sure that the answers are not that you are a bad person or anything, sometimes it is something that surprises us about ourselves, and is an unexpected side effect of trying to do something good!).


So why did you not speak up?

a reply to: Bluesma

So why did you not speak up?

Short answer, because sticking up for women most times, won't even get you a thanks. It's expected and taken for granted.

Longer answer, a lot of men out there used to consider themselves feminists, and not only were never thanked or acknowledged, but a whole lot of the time told to butt out because they had no place in the conversation anytime there was any disagreement. A lot of men have been burned by women, and are hurt and angry about it.

a reply to: TKDRL

Me too.
Equality is a good thing.

But if a large percentage of them are just not interested.
Are we to force them for the illusion of "equality"?

a reply to: Bluesma

It isn't funny.
Not in the slightest.
Surely understand the sarcastic nature of the use of that word in instances such as this.

I point out feminists support such foolish measures.