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originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: undo
You still side-stepped what I said regarding controlling others. You're being quite rude to a member who is telling you in no uncertain terms she's happy with her life & what goes on in it from her religion down to her clothing. Yet, she's brainwashed to you. I think a little self-reflection on the topic of brainwashing is needed here, you cannot say feminists are trying to do good for other women when you're tramping all over them and using the religion as the excuse.
originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: undo
Don't you think whatever modesty is put into use is up to the person practicing it? Enlightening highly marginalized & oppressed people are one thing, but you're targeting someone who's chosen her level of modesty of her own free will. How is that acting in any way to her benefit? That's pushing your own views & expectations on to women, just like you deride men for doing to women. There is no difference, control is control.
originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: undo
Don't you think whatever modesty is put into use is up to the person practicing it? Enlightening highly marginalized & oppressed people are one thing, but you're targeting someone who's chosen her level of modesty of her own free will. How is that acting in any way to her benefit? That's pushing your own views & expectations on to women, just like you deride men for doing to women. There is no difference, control is control.
originally posted by: OpinionatedB
So... this thread is all about internet censorship. Plus your using feminists in order to get that.
Keeping the helpless women safe. Yep. Cannot have freedom cannot just turn off the channel we must turn up the volume on censorship.
Sorry... I didn't realize that was what this was all about.
Have fun with that I suppose.
originally posted by: LowTechRedneck
As a large (6'3" 260lb), "manly" man who has spent a lot of time in the wilderness hunting, fishing, hiking, camping and meditating, and having been in the company of many other men who have similar interests, minus the meditation and spiritual connection to the wilds, I believe that I have a rather unique perspective on this rather disturbing behavior exhibited both online and in men-only company. What you and the others commenting within this thread observe online, I observe IRL on many occasions if not on a regular basis.
On the surface, these assholes appear to be women hating, objectifying mysoginists with very little or zero respect for women. However, dig deeper and what you'll find is deeply wounded individuals who were never taught how to handle emotional pain so they take those emotions, converted into anger and project the cause onto what they perceive to be a physically weaker subject, knowing there is but a miniscule chance of any meaningful retaliation or consequence. I would say that a good 9 out of 10 have zero comprehension or recognition of their behavior and its animator, the ego.
There are three primary factors that contribute to the vile behaviors exhibited by the male species, both online and IRL; women in the workplace, Puritanical sexual repression and the global culture of toughness for males.
Women in the workplace is THE primary factor in the dispicable behavior in question. I understand on the surface this sounds like more of the same behavior but a deeper look will show what I'm getting at. Women are the Gods of children, they bring the life into this world, nurture that life at its most vulnerable period and, in the past, are the primary influence on a child during the development of emotional response and the capacity for empathy, love and respect. The global culture of toughness, which I will address later, and the lack of instinctual child rearing essentially renders males incapable of facilitating these developments in children. Don't get me wrong, women should most definitely have careers outside the home, and in many ways are far more qualified and capable than men to operate businesses, but at the same time it is far more important for women to raise their own children at home during those early years of a child's life and then return to their careers once the child starts school. Being at daycare for 8-10 hours a day robs children of the development of key aspects of humanity during the most crucial time in their development. Without the constant, intimate emotional input from the mother, children develope lacking the ability to regulate and express emotions in a healthy manner which later manifests as the conversion of sadness, fear, pain, rejection and in many cases even love, as anger and too often as rage.
This stunted emotional development renders adult males, in most cases, completely incapable of expressing the approriate emotions in response to the input around them, and all too often basic emotions that should be easy and natural to process end up being expressed as anger and/or resentment towards women, and worst of all the man has no idea he is doing that, and if he does recognize it, he has no clue as to why. Bottom line is that the mother is the single most important factor in a loving, respectful and productive society and we saw a quick & steep decline from the 1970's on and are now gradually losing that altogether, and the world is poorer for it. I guarantee that every women hating asshole on the planet has zero respect for his own mother, and that is primarily because he was raised by multiple women including daycare workers, babysitters and teachers, none of which gave him the emotional training required feel empathy and unconditional love.
The next big factor is the leftover Puritanical repression of sexuality that has, despite the sexual revolution in the 1960's, somehow persisted in our society. Sex is the single most healthy and natural act of the human species, yet somehow we are still embarassed by sexuality and continue to insist on teaching abstinence to our youth when we know damned well it doesn't work. Without real sexual education and instruction, teenage boys learn about sex through pornography which sets unrealistic performance standards while simultaneously teaching bad sex that is one-sided. These boys then take those emotionally vacant "techniques" and performance standards into the bedroom and then feel embarassment and shame because they have not pleased their partner. I know this from personal experience as I was absolutely terrible at sex from ages 15-22, but luckily for me, just before I turned 23 I met a 37 year old woman who taught me what real sex was, how to make love and just how ridiculous my porn inspired sexual techniques actually were. But not every guy is lucky enough to find such a teacher, so they go on for decades being bad at sex, embarrassed that they can't satisfy a woman, feeling shame they can't keep a woman and then redirecting those feelings into anger and rage toward women, never knowing that the problem lies with their inability to make an emotional connection with their sexual partner.
We live in a society that reviles and discourages sexual liberation from puberty to the grave which is manifested in our entertainment as censorship of sex and glorification of violence. So is it any wonder that men make ackward, aggressive and emotionless sexual advances and when repeatedly rebuked, end up angry at women? This all stems from a centuries old religious tradition right in line with modern fundamentalist Islamic views on women and sexuality, and we have to leave it behind.
The last major factor is the global culture of toughness for males. This is pretty self explanatory; men repressing emotions because expressing them is a percieved sign of weakness. Combine this ridiculous cultural tradition with already severely stunted emotional development and the embarrassment & shame of the inability to hold up to unrealistic sexual performance standards and you have yourself a gigantic, smelly asshole that hounds and bullies women from behind a keyboard.
originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: LowTechRedneck
Personally, the only part of that post I can personally relate to is the whole tough guy thing. I have a real hard time showing emotions other than aloof and anger, as those seemed to be the only thing acceptable for a boy to feel. If you expressed anything else you were poked fun of. I learned to put up an ice cold mask, but I have not learned to take the mask off yet. I could not even cry in front of others when I lost my grandmother last year.