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- Shrapnel-based SA-11 missile, known as a Grizzly, will have 'shredded' the plane on impact, expert says
- Will have perforated wings, engines, fuel tanks, and highly-pressurised cabin, which will have exploded 'instantly'
- Passengers will have been 'oblivious' to hit, claims Justin Bronk, aircraft expert at Royal United Services Institute
Pieces of the under-wing pod that holds the right Rolls-Royce Trent 800 engine were found nearly 4.7 miles from Hrabove, where both engines were found.
originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: BornAgainAlien
Old news. That was announced a month or more ago. Portions of the cabin remained intact as it fell, and not every passenger would have been killed instantly. The oxygen masks could have easily fallen due to damage to the overhead where they're stored.
Yes, I'm still convinced that it was a SAM. It may or may not have been a BUK, but it was a SAM, not an air to air attack.
A Malaysian Airways passenger jet destroyed over the Ukraine conflict zone was hit by multiple high-velocity objects and broke up in the air, according to a Dutch interim report into its destruction
According to the report, pieces of aircraft structure were found over a large area - indicating it broke up in the air.
Dutch Safety Commission concluded Malaysian plane carrying 298 people exploded in mid-air due to external impacts from high velocity objects, there is no indication that any technical fault or pilot aircraft .
Yes, I'm still convinced that it was a SAM
The damage evident from debris field images does not match the damage expected to be caused by a missile impact from directly ahead, or from slightly to port.
We can plot this data and begin to develop an understanding of what must have occurred. The debris field outside Hrabove is aligned along a track of 090 degrees. This is a significant deviation from MH17s last reported course of 118 degrees. We can extended this 090 degree track to the west until it intersects with MH17's course at a point 50 km from the Russian border. This point is near the likely point of catastrophic failure of the aircraft and its systems. These combined tracks are shown in Image 2.
These Facebook screen shots point to direct involvement by Kiev personnel. acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com... Update on this link. voicesevas.ru...
Svyatoslav Oliynyk 21:22
Forget it. What’s there? And how?
Yury Bereza 21:23
land - direct - air
Svyatoslav Oliynyk 21:24
What the #ing air???
Yury Bereza 21:26
They reported that he couldn't hold there for long, as if it was high. Made one direct. Failed. Had to make air.
Made one direct. Failed. Had to make air.
If this is to be believed, 'land' is surface-to air missile (=Buk), 'direct' is machine gun/automatic gun, and air = air -to air (missile). (Curiously, 'land' mentioned but not further discussed). But Facebook posts are easy to verify or falsify, and Berkut no longer having this material suggests that this Facebook 'intercept' is withdrawn. (Still something along those lines, perhaps not exactly as presented, still could have happened; short on some proofs, a info-warfare demo version/visualization was developed
About 2 months ago Zorin, the main culprit of 300 passengers' death, has already obtained facts about guiltiness of his subordinates. It seems that he provides himself with a justification base, on "5 channel" Nalivaichenko tells that Boeing is shoot down by Russian "Buk" missile system. In materials we have uncovered there are photographs of the missile attack elements, founded in aircraft fragments on crash site.
So what, they hacked Facebook and took it down? Or put it up? It's still Facebook, which means utterly useless as an investigative tool.