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What will Obama trade to agree to the Keystone Pipeline?

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posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 05:47 PM
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On election night and afterwards it was obvious that the new Republican majority in the U.S. Senate will demand one thing front and center - the Keystone Pipeline. This sludge-pit pipe running across the center of the land sparkles like gold to the GOP, and with that..... what will Obama ask in return?

I hope that he asks for at least two clean Supreme Court appointments. But he's liable to go simpler, and get his Attorney General confirmed (after a dog-and-pony show to appease the right wing). In any case, that's the GOP's first priority for some reason ($$$$ whoops my fingers are repeatedly typing some kind of odd symbol $$$$$$$$$$, darn, there it is again), and the one thing they kept repeating on election night. Environmentalists won't be happy with the deal, but are we ever. Anything less than Mother Nature being given free reign in her forests, prairies and waters, without human interference, fits th $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Whoo! Like a ghost of bankers past, that strange symbol repeats and repeats even as politics rears its ugly hea$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$............

Two passed Supreme Court seats or bust, Mr. President. Don't sell your most valuable asset - a lousy pipeline - short.




posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 05:51 PM
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Yeah, I just don't see the benefit of the pipeline.

What's the real benefit? It's not really a lot of jobs. It takes land away from Americans. It lines the pockets of big oil companies that really aren't going to pass down or "trickle down economic" and of that money to us. I don't see a big upside to it.



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 05:52 PM
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It will pass. Its payment for helping everyone get elected, right?

But they will attach a spending bill, too. Par for the course. Act like theres some deal in the works and its already a done deal.



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 06:08 PM
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a reply to: amazing

There is no big upside. I'm not an expert on the pipeline and why each side has been willing to go to the wall to get their way. I do know that the GOP has wanted it so much that they salivate when they think of the sludge running down from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico. Hundreds of protestors have been arrested over the years for standing up to oppose the pipeline. Many vigils at the White House have taken place in opposition. But this time it seems Obama will have to cave (he's been stalling it for years now) because it seems to be the Corporate Party's number one cause. I just hope that if he sells the environment and public out that he at least gets quite a bit in return.



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posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 06:19 PM
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a reply to: Aleister

Nothing. Obama is a corporatist first and a Democrat second. He's all for it.



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 06:25 PM
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originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: Aleister

Nothing. Obama is a corporatist first and a Democrat second. He's all for it.


Maybe he's for it maybe he's not, but he knows his base (at least those who are semi-literate) are against it. And so does the GOP, they know that Obama has to be bought on this one. For the sake of appearance if nothing else. I've never met Obama, although apparently I heard him give a speech and may have been within touching distance of him once, so I don't know his inner-soul (although that's been changed quite a bit - once a person takes the U.S. presidency, somewhere along the line they have to purposely order the killing of women and children, the famous 'collateral damage', and that's got to change them). If I were him I'd make a laundry list a mile long and see how much of it the GOP leaders are willing to give him for this oily plum.



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 06:41 PM
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Well since most of the Keystone Project is finished or will be soon, What could go wrong?

Keystone Pipeline



Now it's just politics.

just ask Mary Landrieu



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 06:44 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Yes, I saw that Landrieu, who is in a runoff election for the Senate in Louisiana, now wants the Senate to vote on the pipeline so she can say she tried, she tried (sigh), and will try again if it fails. Wouldn't be surprised if when she loses she barricades herself in her office and refuses to leave (that's not true, I'd be surprised, and greatly entertained).



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 06:47 PM
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Yeah, I just don't see the benefit of the pipeline.


Candas Response to how this benefits the US


Jobs for one, would benefit us greatly........but even Canada lists reasons why its good for the US........

Not to mention......if we DONT take advantage of it, and that pipeline everyone hates will still be there, only the US will reap NONE of the benefits.......

How would you rather have it?



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 06:49 PM
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Isn't this thing supposed to run under the largest aquifer in the mid west?



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 06:50 PM
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a reply to: Aleister


Republicans if they are smart wont wheel and deal with this. But they are politicians.

They won under the cloud of being labeled "obstructionist" so that amounts to nothing. So why not just wait two years out and accuse the President of forcing americans to pay higher fuel prices because of his pet nature freak base.



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 07:29 PM
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I saw this thread come up and I had to see what it was about.

I'm with you on not authorizing the Keystone pipeline. From what I can see, there is virtually no long term benefit to the US. Canada pipes their sludge straight to the gulf oil refineries, then its out to the oil tankers to ship it overseas. Not only will it not be used in the US, but the nation can't even collect any tariffs or other revenue from it because of the free trade zones.

The only short-term upside is a nice construction project that will employ a few thousand people for a few years.

The biggest downside I see is the inevitable giant oil sludge spill. Probably directly above the most vulnerable point of the Ogallala Aquifer, the water source for the nation's breadbasket. For my part, I prefer my corn not to taste like petroleum products.

However, in order to get Supreme Court Justice appointments, there have to be openings. Is anyone on the bench ready to retire? Besides, the ultra conservatives would be unlikely to give Obama even one appointment to the Supreme Court. That would change the balance of power. Big Business is doing too well with the current political makeup of the Court. So, their congressional serfs would never be allowed to go for that.

Dex



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 07:33 PM
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He might ask for the forced retirement of TWO Chief Justices of the Supreme Court...
(so he has an enduring legacy of a socialist oriented USA led by SCOTUS)

He knows full well that the Keystone pipeline will be a long, 10 year project (at the earliest)...
because investors & capital movers-&-shakers will go forward In a slow-motion, 'creeper gear'
because the price of oil/energy is going to continue to deflate to possibly under $50 bbl over time
so the completed pipeline will probably be a dry tube at the onset---at least until oil/energy is back in the $80-100 range once again



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 07:44 PM
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originally posted by: St Udio
He might ask for the forced retirement of TWO Chief Justices of the Supreme Court...
(so he has an enduring legacy of a socialist oriented USA led by SCOTUS)

He knows full well that the Keystone pipeline will be a long, 10 year project (at the earliest)...
because investors & capital movers-&-shakers will go forward In a slow-motion, 'creeper gear'
because the price of oil/energy is going to continue to deflate to possibly under $50 bbl over time
so the completed pipeline will probably be a dry tube at the onset---at least until oil/energy is back in the $80-100 range once again


Aw heck, when I went back & read the thread posts... the 2 SCOTUS vacancies was already put out there... dang I thought I might have been the first...oh well, I will carry on...as I think I gave a more detailed answer as to the pipelines less-than-worthiness & the Ego stroking that Barry will bask in



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 07:46 PM
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I don’t know what Obama will ask in return for the pipeline. Regardless, though, the Republicans will criticize him and scream that Obama refuses to compromise. They’ll accuse him of obstruction. Ha!!! What a joke!

The Republicans are no doubt getting their pockets lined by their corporate oil masters. They disguise it by insisting the pipeline is a job creator, even though studies have shown it will create 2,000-5,000 temporary jobs at best, lasting at most 2 years. Anybody with half a brain realizes that the Republican claims are utter BS. Unfortunately, though, there are a lot of braindead voters out there.

Republicans are delirious right now over their recent grab for power, and they plan to be the bully on the block. They have no interest in finding compromise on anything. They’re hungry to pick a fight with Obama, and will not let good sense and reasonable judgement get in the way. Their blind hatred for Obama is what they thrive on, and his political destruction is their sole purpose for living. It’s sick, and we all have to suffer for it. I think their objective is “Screw the people - Impeach Obama”. From where I sit, it’s pretty clear.

Personally, I hope Obama sticks to his guns and keeps that veto pen handy. I hope Republicans have to fight tooth and nail to get any of their legislation inacted. I think of the current Republican party as having similarities with the Taliban - they want to turn back all the progress made in the past century, sending us back into the dark ages. Then, the rich, elite class could preside over the underling slave class, holding all the money, resources and power in their greedy hands.

I see no value to Americans with the pipeline, but do see potential problems. Canada will run this pipeline through the middle of our country, over privately owned land, only to have it refined in the Gulf and then sold abroad. It will not put even the slightest dent in unemployment rates. The US will see little benefit from it. I hope Obama vetoes it...



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 07:47 PM
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a reply to: Aleister


What will Obama trade to agree to the Keystone Pipeline?

Maybe they will have to take Michele off his hands.



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 08:38 PM
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Actually, I expect him to dangle immigration reform over the Republicans heads. He gets most of what he wants, in exchange for them getting the pipeline.



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 08:40 PM
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a reply to: netbound




Republicans are delirious right now over their recent grab for power, and they plan to be the bully on the block. They have no interest in finding compromise on anything.


Seriously? Like Obama has tried to compromise on anything. "I've got a pen and a phone" sound familiar?



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 08:58 PM
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originally posted by: DAVID64
Actually, I expect him to dangle immigration reform over the Republicans heads. He gets most of what he wants, in exchange for them getting the pipeline.


Nah, he'll come down in the middle and do five million immigrants via executive order (many people want him to do seven million, so he'll compromise down to five), the GOP has waited too long to have a large voice in this coming action. More likely his trade will come down to appointments (Judicial, Attorney General, etc.).



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 09:01 PM
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a reply to: netbound

Yes, it is a no-win for America to play this pipeline ho-down. Life imitates art (if life were a pipeline and art was sludge).




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