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Penalty For Uninsured Not Signing Up For Obamacare To More Than Triple

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posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 07:24 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: derfreebie

Actually I disagree with you I think the economic pendulum is about to swing, but for how long?

Gas price is lower, American oil production is now competitive.

Here's the biggest kicker...

Foreign investors are coming back to America and investing. How do I know? Because I am in co struction and the co pany I work for manages large commercial projects and they have more bids then they can handle and it's the first time since 08.


A good point, and still subject to the amount of new building.
IF we've got new stuff coming up utilizing hot money that just
unhooked from QE stopping, that may mean they have to sell
the derivatives from brick and mortar instead of recycled paper.
The gas is always good till Xmas in an election year--
and good on you for some OT at the most important time o' year


EDIT:: PS, The one question: Yeah, how long? I thought by now there'd
be 15 or 20 people a day dropping at the airports and doing a floor shake.
edit on 12-11-2014 by derfreebie because: Maybe as long as THEY want it to last... no longer




posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 07:25 PM
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a reply to: derfreebie

Yeah the ot is about to kick in. Grappling with the union over a big job right now but I think we got it.



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 07:55 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

Just out of curiosity, how would I start a union in my workplace without being fired?



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 08:46 PM
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I didn't like this stupid individual mandate from day one. The instant I heard about it it turned me against the whole bill, Obama and the Democrats in general. There is no room with a law like this to say "It's not what I'd like but I support it anyway". I have to draw the line when my government orders me to buy things and punishes me if I don't.

They justified this in the court by calling it a tax. How many taxes do you know of that go up every year specifically because you didn't do as you were told?

Yes. It was known all along that it would go up every year. But it might not have been known by people who weren't paying much attention. Regardless of that, they managed to get FIVE justices on the Supreme Court to call this OK. That is just absurd. Something has to be wrong there somewhere. These are people who are capable of writing articles most of us can't even decipher. Nobody can tell me they're this stupid.



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 09:07 PM
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originally posted by: tebyen

originally posted by: butcherguy
Current events tells me that they planned to increase the 'fine' from the beginning. They just couldn't tell the 'stupid public' in the beginning though.


Except they did tell us from the beginning that the penalty will be rising. Here's an excellent article from 2013 that outlines how the fees are calculated (some people will have to pay a lot more than $325 for example), how the fee going to increase from year to year, and so on.

www.forbes.com...

That’s just for 2014. The penalty will grow over time: The dollar minimums will be $325 in 2015 and $695 in 2016 and will grow with inflation after that (rounded down to multiples of $50). By 2023, it will hit a projected $800. And the percentage of income penalty also grows—to 2 percent in 2015 and 2.5 percent after that.


Obamacare isn't the best; I'll gladly admit that. I don't want it repealed though. There's a lot of good it's done for people in the US (covering per-existing conditions for one). What does need to happen is the system needs to be converted over to a single payer system, instead of what we've got now.


it did not need an entire law to cover pre-existing conditions.. remember the initial claim was there were 30 million uninsured we need to get them insured.. it is a total scam to control the population.. that is all, look at the majority of the laws passed by the dems over the past 8 years.. its all about "we know better than you, what you need" mentality. as for single payer.....please no.



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 09:08 PM
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originally posted by: shadowposter
a reply to: onequestion

Just out of curiosity, how would I start a union in my workplace without being fired?


I don't know where you work but in general you can't anymore.



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 09:52 PM
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a reply to: shaneslaughta


My oldest daughter and her husband should be paying a hundred bucks a month each when he is on unemployment and possibly working. He works construction so is laid off nearly five months in the winter most times. They try to pay ahead on the gas bill while he is working and try to put money aside as a buffer for their house payment. They only make about thirty five thousand a year with his unemployment. It isn't easy. Now, between trying to get things paid ahead a little and trying to catch up in the spring with the winters bills, it is hard to find money to cover even the hundred a month. The kids are covered by The states version of medicaid called MI-child or something like that. They get foodstamps when he is laid off for the winter, but nothing when he is working.

When they tried to apply for Obamacare they were told that they do not qualify, they should be getting free coverage because from the government because they qualify. But they don't get it from the state because his wages vary so much. If he works on state jobs he gets prevailing wage, but this year he hasn't been working on them much. So they are stuck in limbo with no coverage. Now, it seems to me they should be able to get the reduced Obamacare just so they have coverage, but there is a glitch in the system.



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 09:54 PM
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originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: eXia7

Um...I question this "first time around, 2nd time etc..." I and my family paid nothing, have nothing and isnt going to GET anything. And neither is the gov gonna arbitrarily take $$$ outta my bank.




Believe me, if they think you owe it, they will take it. I've had an experience with the Social Security Admin. doing exactly that. When I discussed with my credit union manager that I had been notified that I had better have a certain amount of money in my account that they could draw out, he informed me that they also had been notified and told me if I took the money out so the SSA couldn't get it, the SSA would take it from the credit union's funds! I assumed he was telling me the truth, but regardless, the SSA took the money, wrongly, and it was four years before I received an unexpected check one day for the amount that they wrongly took with no interest for the use of my money for those four years.

I'll tell you again, the system is rigged against you. You buck the system, you will eventually pay one way or another unless this whole crazy deal collapses under its own totalitarian weight or tons of non-compliant citizens force it to collapse.



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 11:02 PM
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Documented native americans are exempt of health insurance.



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 12:02 AM
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a reply to: eXia7

I sure am glad to be part of the Cherokee nation right about now. I recently sent in my exemption form for this horrid ACA we know as Obamacare.

I'm happy to be a part of an independent nation that allows me to get free healthcare here in Oklahoma and various other benefits for which my ancestors took the fall. I haven't used my free healthcare in over 15 years, and feel lucky as I am a firm believer in staying active and eating healthy. I've been screwed over many times in my life and this feels like a win for me; I just hope "they" don't come running to mess this up for us.

I highly recommend any fellow ATSers that are part of a native indian tribe to send in your ACA exemption forms as soon as possible; you just have to have a blue card or verifiable proof and fill out their "census" form.

Even if I wasn't part of the Cherokee Nation, I still wouldn't pay the tax/fee... They can't take money from me that I don't have.



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 08:21 AM
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a reply to: eXia7

This isn't socialism. I'd gladly pay the higher taxes that come with real socialism and have a true universal healthcare plan, than have my taxes go to bombing brownish people abroad, locking up brown people at home, SWAT teams murdering kids, elders, our pets, (or anyone).

On topic:

I can't afford much more than feeding my dogs and myself- I guess I'll be closing my bank account and just using cash or pre-paid debit cards.
edit on 080000000908amb14America/Chicago by Hushabye because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 08:29 AM
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a reply to: eXia7

been asking the question since before the ACA was law..

ProTip: if your total income is less than 10,000 dollars a year, you are not required to file a income tax return....if you are not required to file an income tax return, you are not required to buy insurance...

i currently fit into that category....they can kiss my ENTIRE ass....



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 08:32 AM
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a reply to: butcherguy

this has been known for a while now....you think the fine the OP is telling us about is bad? wait until the next one...it's supposed to be twice as much as this one, i believe......i read it will go up exponentially, until it reaches a certain limit...i can't remember what that limit is, but goddamn, even a dollar is a travesty, when it comes to this..



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 08:38 AM
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a reply to: mwood

the problem with this plan is that by the time this abortion of a "law" is heavy enough to collapse under it's own weight, it will have already destroyed the already enfeebled economy....there won't be a country left to save, if they wait too long...everyone will be bankrupt, and destitute..



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 10:26 AM
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a reply to: eXia7

obamacare is free healthcare for illegal aliens and the "gimme dats" (WE pay for it,though.)



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 11:15 AM
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a reply to: mysterioustranger

Unfortunately you can say that all you want, but ultimately there are three things you can't avoid. Taxes, Taxes and more Taxes...they eventually catch up to you.



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 11:52 AM
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originally posted by: eXia7

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: eXia7

You are helping people who can't pay for their health insurance.

It's called wealth distribution.

Betcha didn't know that you were "wealthy", did you?


Man, I guess I'm a regular bill gates, just like every other middle class worker.

Gotta love socialism


This is far from socialism. You agreed with another members post concerning this being a way to funnel money to the corporations or pay a government fine....this is fascism.

If this was socialist, it would be a universal healthcare system where everyone was covered and it was completely taken care of with our tax dollars.

Perhaps a socialist system is what we need.



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 11:54 AM
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originally posted by: FalcoFan
a reply to: eXia7

obamacare is free healthcare for illegal aliens and the "gimme dats" (WE pay for it,though.)


No it's not. It's a handout to the corporations and the government by forcing you to buy a product or pay a fine.



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 11:57 AM
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This nightmare is going to hit the lower class very, very hard. People who are just surviving pay check to pay check, and who can barely afford to put food on the table, are going suffer a lot, and most likely lose everything over this insanity.

The imbeciles who voted for Obama have a major wake up call coming, and not just them. This in the end will turn out to be a complete disaster for The Democratic Party.

I don't want to see people who are already struggling not be able to feed their kids. Hopefully this suicidal law will be repealed as soon as possible. ~$heopleNation



posted on Nov, 13 2014 @ 01:00 PM
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The “young invincible” crowd of 18-to-36 year olds is crucial to the law’s success because insurance companies need their business to offset the costs of covering older, sicker and more expensive enrollees.


I really have to wonder just how many young adults these days fall into this category...I myself am 34 years old and have been fighting lupus since age 21. Sadly, my health struggles are far from unusual; among my friends and acquaintances, we run the gamut of just about everything from severe asthma to Crohn's to thyroid disease to diabetes. I can honestly say I don't know a single person without some kind of health struggles. Of course, there must still be some individuals fortunate enough to be healthy, but it's really not as much a given for the young to be in good health as it was even when my parents were my age.



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