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Penalty For Uninsured Not Signing Up For Obamacare To More Than Triple

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posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 05:37 PM
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they can suspend my license all they want as well. im not going to be bullied into signing up...
i will still be driving...no problem.

you dont need a drivers license to register a car and get plates so yeah...whatev




posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 05:47 PM
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a reply to: mysterioustranger

They may not take it from your account but the tax refund you are use to receiving is not going to be there
edit on 11/12/2014 by DJMSN because: correction



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 05:50 PM
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The fee for not having insurance in 2014 is $95 per adult and $47.50 per child (up to $285 for a family) or 1% of your taxable income, whichever is greater.



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 05:51 PM
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IRS collections procedures ....

ACA penalties ....

some exemptions and limits ....



What enforcement power does the IRS have to collect “shared responsibility payments?”

According to tax attorney Kenneth Burns with the business law firm Kolesar & Leatham of Las Vegas, “The penalty will be imposed if you fail to provide sufficient information with your tax return that you have acceptable coverage, or you are exempt.”

The IRS is limited in its ability to collect the penalty. “Once the IRS has assessed a penalty,” says Burns, “there is no enforcement mechanism for collecting the penalty other than reducing a taxpayer’s refund.”

The ACA does not allow the IRS to file a Notice of Tax Lien for failure to pay the penalty. This means the IRS cannot attach a lien to your wages, bank accounts or personal assets. “Further,” says Burns, “no criminal prosecution or penalty may be imposed on anyone for refusal to pay the individual mandate penalty.” While tax evasion is a serious crime, failure to pay the ACA penalty will not land a taxpayer in jail.

The only way the IRS can collect the penalty from those that do not voluntarily pay is by offsetting any refund, current or future, due the taxpayer. For those that are not entitled to a refund, the penalty does not go away; it will be carried to future years.

Enforcing The Health Law Mandate: What The IRS Can & Can’t Do



Pelosi: "We Have to Pass the Bill So That You Can Find Out What Is In It" ....

Then you have to read it !!!!



www.youtube.com...



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 05:52 PM
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a reply to: amazing

i can live with that....
my income for this year is tax free....
so again
whatev



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 05:57 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Haha Xuenchen i always cringe when i see that. I wonder if that statement actually eased anyone's mind?



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 05:58 PM
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Let em take it from me in pints of blood idgaf.
edit on 11/12/2014 by onequestion because: (no reason given)


Let's send a message. Everyone empty your bank accounts.
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posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 06:04 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
Let em take it from me in pints of blood idgaf.

Let's send a message. Everyone empty your bank accounts.


People still use banks?
Last place i would keep money.

They are only good for paying bills and cashing checks for free. That and with no balance there is no monthly account maintenance fee. I.e. monthly statement fee. Ahhh loopholes



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 06:06 PM
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So the government can force you to buy a product? What form of government is that again?



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 06:10 PM
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originally posted by: shadowposter
So the government can force you to buy a product? What form of government is that again?


A great government!



(please don't lock me away, I was good, I obeyed)



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 06:13 PM
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When tax time rolls around again I'll let you know what I had to pay since I'm not enrolled in any health care insurance plan. I prefer to "manage" my own health, thank you very much---not have an insurance company constantly telling me that I need to have a myriad of useless tests done or that I may not see "alternative medical providers" such as chiropractors more than once a month. It is senseless---and unless the fine is more than $17k/year, it's still going to be cost-effective for me to pay penalty and continue my "no insurance" pact to pay as I go with my doc.



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 06:15 PM
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originally posted by: shaneslaughta
a reply to: xuenchen

Haha Xuenchen i always cringe when i see that. I wonder if that statement actually eased anyone's mind?


Depends how anyone would define "the fog and the controversies"

I think "the fog and the controversies" are becoming more clear by the day since she said that.




posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 06:16 PM
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Not gonna sign up,not gonna be threatened/strong-armed into it either. I don't care if they take my DL, one less bill to pay. I don't use banks...I work for what i need. trade labor for housing, food, etc. Rarely use cash. The barter system goes a long way, if one keeps their needs simple, and to a minimum.



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 06:17 PM
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originally posted by: RalagaNarHallas
hrrm i wonder whats gonna happen to the IRS budget now that the republicans are in control of senate and house......perhaps some funding cuts are required

www.politico.com... from june but i guess they allready started making cuts before the election so i see more funding cuts in the IRS future over the whole tea party targeting scandal as the republicans seem to be taking over as many funding committees as possible

thehill.com...


Republicans vow to put the clamps on the IRS if they sweep to power in November. GOP lawmakers and aides believe that House-passed legislation to limit the IRS’s reach would have a better shot at making it to President Obama’s desk if Republicans win control of the Senate on Nov. 4. Full Republican control of Congress would give the GOP added leverage over the IRS, doubling the panel’s oversight of an agency that drew conservative ire by improperly scrutinizing Tea Party groups seeking tax-exempt status. The intensified oversight would be particularly damaging to the IRS’s increasingly public role in another GOP target, ObamaCare. The agency scheduled to start enforcing the Affordable Care Act’s individual mandate penalty in 2015. “Most of the oversight has, frankly, been taking place in the House,” Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), one of the IRS’s most consistent critics in Congress, told The Hill.
from october but showing a theme its kind of hard to enforce a penalty if you have no one to enforce it due to budgetary concerns ....unless the irs wants to start working for free
www.forbes.com... forbes take on the matter

www.ipi.org... they dont need to repeal it just take its teeth away and defund its enforcers


Republicans won’t be able to repeal Obamacare as long as President Obama is in office, but they can make a big dent in one of its most egregious and unconstitutional flaws: Simply eliminate the penalties for not having coverage. At his post-election press conference, Obama reasserted that he would oppose efforts to repeal the individual mandate that requires Americans to have Obamacare-qualified coverage. All right, then how about just repealing the fines the IRS can impose on the uninsured? Who cares if there is a mandate to have coverage if there’s no penalty for not having it? People would be free to get whatever coverage they wanted, or none at all, and they would face no penalty.


www.businessinsider.com...

www.commonwealthfund.org... te


When a party takes over a house of Congress, they take chairmanship of ALL the committees. It's just standard. So the GOP chairs all the committees now.



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 06:18 PM
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originally posted by: shadowposter
So the government can force you to buy a product? What form of government is that again?


Marxist/Fascist/Socialist

All "Authoritarian" methods are Left Wing based.

It's for your protection as well as ours.






posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 06:23 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: shadowposter
So the government can force you to buy a product? What form of government is that again?


Marxist/Fascist/Socialist

All "Authoritarian" methods are Left Wing based.

It's for your protection as well as ours.






That's what I was going for. I didn't want to say it for fear that our glorious leaders would be offended and smite me por my disobedience.



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 06:42 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
Let em take it from me in pints of blood idgaf.

Let's send a message. Everyone empty your bank accounts.


Do you one better, One. Why don't we empty the General Ledger?
I'm convinced this kind of extortion and or intimidation, after we
haven't bought anything is somewhat insane already.

"Hey just pay the money we told you that you owe us for not gettin' in."
Have you ever tried to garnish a SS pension? Isn't going to happen.
They can blow down my door and bust me... some transposition required.

No wonder the IRS got 16,000 automatic weapons. We'll need them
to hang their blue helmets onta.
edit on 12-11-2014 by derfreebie because: Wages from labor is barter, NOT income



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 06:56 PM
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originally posted by: mwood
a reply to: mysterioustranger

I originally read when the "law" was being passed that if you do not have insurance the "penalty" will be automatically withdrawn from your account at the bank. If you have no account or have zero money in it they will suspend your drivers license till it's paid and or put a lean on property you own like a vehicle or house.


After the title is clear, the title to deed for the car is still a copy of
"the right to operate the state's property" in the issuing state.
This could be kind of sticky if they try to attach a lein to property
they already technically own--- it's called securities fraud.

After having no physical property other than work tools for my whole
life, and never "owning" dirt or other appreciable assets.. you can indeed
kill a turnip. But It's an increasingly costly proposition for all parties.

That Trading with the Enemy Act made us all prisoners... that's why the
Congress has to declare a state of emergency every session. It's because
the only way a commercial court (they all are now) can get their greasy
devil worshipping meathooks on our stuff, and us is to call it war spoils.
Yeah, we're assets too.
edit on 12-11-2014 by derfreebie because: The UCC is the patriarch of all profit centers

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posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 07:08 PM
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a reply to: eXia7

The catch of the week, eXia! Thank you for this, and F/S!

The financial system needs propping up so badly, we're about
to get Greeked. It's not going to go well here either if that
"tax is staying propped up. The people that refuse to
defund it, including the SCOTUS will be remembered.

And the PTB's projections for either conduct or final outcome
of the IMF Riots have thus far, and continue to be inaccurate.
Now translate that to 57 million or so irate and heavily armed
rednecks even west of the Mississippi. Nasty strong medicine



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 07:11 PM
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a reply to: derfreebie

Actually I disagree with you I think the economic pendulum is about to swing, but for how long?

Gas price is lower, American oil production is now competitive.

Here's the biggest kicker...

Foreign investors are coming back to America and investing. How do I know? Because I am in co struction and the co pany I work for manages large commercial projects and they have more bids then they can handle and it's the first time since 08.



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