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Penalty For Uninsured Not Signing Up For Obamacare To More Than Triple

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posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 04:14 PM
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What's up ATS, it has been awhile since I've made a thread, but I felt that this issue is starting to get ridiculous, so I figured I'd share this article with you. Not sure it's been posted, as my search function seems to be broken, but you know the drill.



WASHINGTON (CBSDC/AP) — Americans will see their bank accounts shrink if they don’t sign up for Obamacare in its second enrollment season. Uninsured Americans who decide not to enroll will face a penalty of $325 per person, more than tripling the $95 penalty those who did not enroll had to pay the first time around.


So this is pretty much where my beef stands with this "law" if you want to call it that. Not only the fact that it's a poorly crafted healthcare fix, but this entire mandate crap really makes me mad.

Here we have government telling you, and forcing you to comply with something that you may not even be able to afford. How did this law even pass when it allows the government to garnish money from your BANK ACCOUNT? I don't know about you people, but I work really hard for my money, and with the rising prices of the cost of living, there is no way I can even consider taking on an extra expense because the government says so.

I think it's absurd that they decide to triple the cost of the fine to 325$ per person if you do not comply with their little law. 325$ may not be much to some people, but to a lot of people that is a rent payment, or an entire months worth of food, etc. I'm sure there will be the usual group of socialist lovers who come in here and demand we continue to prop up government failures as if they are the next greatest thing, but I refuse to subscribe to "obamacare" as it's just another money pit that we(the youth) will pay into, and not receive much benefit out of it.

I think it's in the public's best interest to continue lighting a fire under the GOP to work on repealing this piece of #. I've never been a fan of being told what to do, especially by a group of incompetent politicians.



The “young invincible” crowd of 18-to-36 year olds is crucial to the law’s success because insurance companies need their business to offset the costs of covering older, sicker and more expensive enrollees.


This right here is another thing that really ticks me off as well.. as if we aren't already contributing enough to this god forsaken system, they expect us to continue to shoulder the burdens of everybody else as well?

I understand we need social programs to help the less fortunate, but you can't always depend on the "younger" crowd to cater to your demands, especially with the way the world is going now, I'm very reluctant to just dole out cash to government so they can waste it on wars and $30,000 toilet seats.

So I'll pass the thread off to ATS, I know a lot of people on this forum are against the ACA, and I know there are die hard fans of the ACA, as always both viewpoints are welcome. Please enlighten me on how a mandate and wage garnishment is in the best interest of a nation, and please share a good reason on why the "youth" should be forced to shoulder all of the burdens set upon us by the ones before us. Call me what you will, but I just don't see how we should continue allowing government to grow.

Sou rce
edit on 11/12/2014 by eXia7 because: (no reason given)



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posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: eXia7

There's a great reason. Insurance companies want more money. ACA was always about serving corporate interests, just like when it was first conceived by Republicans in the 90's.



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: eXia7

Um...I question this "first time around, 2nd time etc..." I and my family paid nothing, have nothing and isnt going to GET anything. And neither is the gov gonna arbitrarily take $$$ outta my bank.



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 04:21 PM
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This is the law of the land, and the reason everyone now has to sign up or face the music (Barry Manilow cd's, played continuously and at high volume) until they do is to finance the hospitalization and other expenses for ill Americans. Kind of like social security with a white smock and a blood pressure doohickey around its neck.


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posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 04:22 PM
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Current events tells me that they planned to increase the 'fine' from the beginning. They just couldn't tell the 'stupid public' in the beginning though.



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 04:24 PM
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originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: eXia7

There's a great reason. Insurance companies want more money. ACA was always about serving corporate interests, just like when it was first conceived by Republicans in the 90's.


Spot on, and completely agree.


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posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 04:27 PM
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a reply to: eXia7

Just wait until tax season when the IRS dons their new "SS" uniforms!

You ain't seen nothing yet!



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 04:27 PM
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originally posted by: Aleister
This is the law of the land, and the reason everyone now has to sign up or face the music (Barry Manilow cd's, played continuously and at high volume) until they do is to finance the hospitalization and other expenses for ill Americans. Kind of like social security with a white smock and a blood pressure doohickey around its neck.



Not sure if you're posting sarcasm or what not, but I'll respond accordingly.

In my opinion, if the health of the people was an important issue, then perhaps all of their money wasted over these many years should have been spent on a true healthcare system that benefits the citizens, not this mockery of a health plan that forces people to pay into.

I find these options to be completely worthless to most people, as most people are forced to pay a deductible of $5000 or more before their coverage begins...

But if you weren't using sarcasm, I do see your point.



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 04:29 PM
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Still less than the cost of premiums, especially if the Supreme Court rules to take out the subsidies for most of the country. Of course, if that happens, the the least expensive policies for most people will be more than 8% of their income and they'll be exempt.

Of course, huge swathes of the country will also be without insurance as well, even more than there were beforehand, but that's to be expected I suppose.



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 04:30 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: eXia7

Just wait until tax season when the IRS dons their new "SS" uniforms!

You ain't seen nothing yet!



Yes, it's quite a shame that this country has been turned into one giant donation box for government.

Eventually the time will come when people need to opt out of paying income taxes, until then, I suppose we get to continue watching the country bleed out.



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 04:33 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
Current events tells me that they planned to increase the 'fine' from the beginning. They just couldn't tell the 'stupid public' in the beginning though.


Except they did tell us from the beginning that the penalty will be rising. Here's an excellent article from 2013 that outlines how the fees are calculated (some people will have to pay a lot more than $325 for example), how the fee going to increase from year to year, and so on.

www.forbes.com...

That’s just for 2014. The penalty will grow over time: The dollar minimums will be $325 in 2015 and $695 in 2016 and will grow with inflation after that (rounded down to multiples of $50). By 2023, it will hit a projected $800. And the percentage of income penalty also grows—to 2 percent in 2015 and 2.5 percent after that.


Obamacare isn't the best; I'll gladly admit that. I don't want it repealed though. There's a lot of good it's done for people in the US (covering per-existing conditions for one). What does need to happen is the system needs to be converted over to a single payer system, instead of what we've got now.



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 04:34 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
Current events tells me that they planned to increase the 'fine' from the beginning. They just couldn't tell the 'stupid public' in the beginning though.


Yep, we can thank the dems, and their puppet Nancy "Wait to pass it" Pelosi.

*shakes head*


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posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 04:34 PM
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You are helping people who can't pay for their health insurance.

It's called wealth distribution.

Betcha didn't know that you were "wealthy", did you?



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 04:35 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
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You are helping people who can't pay for their health insurance.

It's called wealth distribution.

Betcha didn't know that you were "wealthy", did you?


Man, I guess I'm a regular bill gates, just like every other middle class worker.

Gotta love socialism


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posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 04:35 PM
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originally posted by: eXia7

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: eXia7

Just wait until tax season when the IRS dons their new "SS" uniforms!

You ain't seen nothing yet!



Yes, it's quite a shame that this country has been turned into one giant donation box for government.

Eventually the time will come when people need to opt out of paying income taxes, until then, I suppose we get to continue watching the country bleed out.


What gets me is that people think that allowing our government to protect our health is the answer to our prayers, but they fail to take a gander at the VA healthcare system!



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 04:36 PM
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Haha ... getting smart ee?
In my country you get a fine if you're not paying.
So ... if you don't have any money, they make you pay twice :-)
Yes .. it's true! And we think we're smart!
So you're smartning up.
Think it stops there? Nope! After you payed up for a couple of years they will refuse to give you care, make budget cuts and withhold money.

We didn't sell your government this 'new' 'obamacare' system for nothing.



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 04:36 PM
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I pray that the GOP leaves Obamacare alone. Don't attempt to repeal it, don't even mention it. Leave it as-is and see what happens.

A smart GOP will say, "you wanted your Obamacare, you can keep your Obamacare".

Let this baby roll on...



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 04:36 PM
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The penalties for being "uninsured" are bad enough.

But wait till "compliance" gets the best of many law abiding citizens as well.

"Compliances" like under-estimated incomes that will be collected back from people getting subsidies and tax credits.

"Compliances" like getting into deep debt from the deductibles.

"Compliances" like paying lawyers for bankruptcy.

"Compliances" like paying extra for "your doctor" if "your doctor" isn't in your policy's "network".

"Compliances" are rich in content.



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posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 04:38 PM
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Let me toss this out to you all. My companys offer: $ 375 per pay (x 2)for the wife and I....PLUS $50 each month to include her...PLUS $8000 yearly deductable...co-pays will pay 35%...and we WILL STILL GET THE BILLS AS WELL for the difference.


Oh yeah...and with this "plan"? Nothing is covered outta their network. So I'd have the above arrangements and THEIR doctors...not my regular, my cardiac doc...zip.

And STILL we'd pay the nearly $700 monthly PLUS satisfy the $8000 deductable AND the balance not covered...and NOTHING is covered.

Thanks...so we are paying our own way, own doctors, tests and scripts where/how we want to. Its CHEAPER........



posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 04:38 PM
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hrrm i wonder whats gonna happen to the IRS budget now that the republicans are in control of senate and house......perhaps some funding cuts are required

www.politico.com... from june but i guess they allready started making cuts before the election so i see more funding cuts in the IRS future over the whole tea party targeting scandal as the republicans seem to be taking over as many funding committees as possible

thehill.com...


Republicans vow to put the clamps on the IRS if they sweep to power in November. GOP lawmakers and aides believe that House-passed legislation to limit the IRS’s reach would have a better shot at making it to President Obama’s desk if Republicans win control of the Senate on Nov. 4. Full Republican control of Congress would give the GOP added leverage over the IRS, doubling the panel’s oversight of an agency that drew conservative ire by improperly scrutinizing Tea Party groups seeking tax-exempt status. The intensified oversight would be particularly damaging to the IRS’s increasingly public role in another GOP target, ObamaCare. The agency scheduled to start enforcing the Affordable Care Act’s individual mandate penalty in 2015. “Most of the oversight has, frankly, been taking place in the House,” Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), one of the IRS’s most consistent critics in Congress, told The Hill.
from october but showing a theme its kind of hard to enforce a penalty if you have no one to enforce it due to budgetary concerns ....unless the irs wants to start working for free
www.forbes.com... forbes take on the matter

www.ipi.org... they dont need to repeal it just take its teeth away and defund its enforcers


Republicans won’t be able to repeal Obamacare as long as President Obama is in office, but they can make a big dent in one of its most egregious and unconstitutional flaws: Simply eliminate the penalties for not having coverage. At his post-election press conference, Obama reasserted that he would oppose efforts to repeal the individual mandate that requires Americans to have Obamacare-qualified coverage. All right, then how about just repealing the fines the IRS can impose on the uninsured? Who cares if there is a mandate to have coverage if there’s no penalty for not having it? People would be free to get whatever coverage they wanted, or none at all, and they would face no penalty.


www.businessinsider.com...

www.commonwealthfund.org... te



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