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originally posted by: Xcathdra
originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: Noinden
It's almost a guarantee at this point. America won't back down and neither will Russia.
This is one of the issue I constantly see.
Its NOT just the US. Something you guys really need to start thinking about and understanding.
originally posted by: Noinden
I'm personally of the philosophy that all the big boys need to chill the hell out.
originally posted by: Noinden
I have no idea, I'm stuck down here in the antipodes in a little nation which trades with Russian, the US, China etc. We're technically US allies, and sure as hell have deployed our special forces (SAS) for them in the past.
Russia is the one who is violating sea and airspace of NATO countries.
as for Merkel she stated what was stated at the UN. If Russia comply with its agreement sanctions can be rolled back. She did state there are no new sanctions planned but it has not been ruled out. France has also stated conditions have not been met for the delivery of the Mistral class vessel to Russia. Its looking like that vessel might be going to the Canadian Navy.
But how could the Soviet leadership be persuaded to support this solution? "I wanted to help them over the hurdle," Genscher told SPIEGEL. To that end, the German foreign minister promised, in his speech in Tutzing, that there would not be "an expansion of NATO territory to the east, in other words, closer to the borders of the Soviet Union." East Germany was not to be brought into the military structures of NATO, and the door into the alliance was to remain closed to the countries of Eastern Europe
France has put aside some $1 billion to buy 14 Soyuz carrier rockets from Russia, French satellite launch firm Arianespace CEO Jean-Yves Le Gall said Tuesday.
"We have ordered 14 Soyuzes from the Russian Federation; the contract's cost is about $1 billion. These are ambitious plans," Le Gall said at a Russian-French business forum, held as part of President Dmitry Medvedev's visit to France. His speech was broadcast by the Rossiya 24 TV channel.
The new deal marks another step in cooperation between Russia and France in the space sector. Arianespace signed a contact with Russia's space agency in 2008 for the launch of 10 Russian Soyuz-ST carrier rockets from the Kourou space center in French Guiana.
end of the same article
French President Nicolas Sarkozy said Monday after talks with Medvedev that Russia and France had started "exclusive talks" on the purchase of four French Mistral-class amphibious-assault ships.
He said two of the four Mistral-class ships under discussion could be built in Russia. The announcement of the talks confirmed earlier comments by a Russian Defense Ministry source that the sale would not be finalized during Medvedev's visit.
A Mistral-class ship is capable of transporting and deploying 16 helicopters, four landing barges, up to 70 vehicles including 13 battle tanks, and 450 soldiers. The vessel is equipped with a 69-bed hospital and can be used as an amphibious command ship.
originally posted by: liteonit6969
a reply to: tavi45
And the most frustrating things about your post is that you say most Americans "accepted openly". I feel if you accept it, as in you are conscious of it and choose to do nothing about it, you in lack of action are supporting it. Those who accept it or know these things and do nothing need to wake up. They know that their government (whoever is actually controlling it) are destroying people home and abroad in the name of control, how can anyone sleep well at night knowing this. It no longer good enough to say i knew this, people need to stand up, stand together and stop this.