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Yo if you're looking for someone with a college degree then go somewhere else, I hate college degrees and I don't have one. Universities and Colleges are not where you actually get knowledge, those are just created institutions which are only meant to kill creativity and keep people inside of a box. What is the true test of intelligence? The bible represents the best median ground for a test of intelligence. That's because the bible is the most popular book of all time, and to engage it all you need to have is the ability to read.
11 Then the Angel of God spoke to me in a dream, saying, ‘Jacob.’ And I said, ‘Here I am.’ 12 And He said, ‘Lift your eyes now and see, all the rams which leap on the flocks are streaked, speckled, and gray-spotted; for I have seen all that Laban is doing to you. 13 I am the God of Bethel, where you anointed the pillar and where you made a vow to Me. Now arise, get out of this land, and return to the land of your family.’”
Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel. 2 So David said to Joab and to the leaders of the people, “Go, number Israel from Beersheba to Dan, and bring the number of them to me that I may know it.”
Again the anger of the Lord was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, “Go, number Israel and Judah.” 2 So the king said to Joab the commander of the army who was with him, “Now go throughout all the tribes of Israel, from Dan to Beersheba, and count the people, that I may know the number of the people.”
Gen 30:29-33 29 So Jacob said to him, "You know how I have served you and how your livestock has been with me. 30 "For what you had before I came was little, and it has increased to a great amount; the LORD has blessed you since my coming. And now, when shall I also provide for my own house?" 31 So he said, "What shall I give you?" And Jacob said, "You shall not give me anything. If you will do this thing for me, I will again feed and keep your flocks: 32 "Let me pass through all your flock today, removing from there all the speckled and spotted sheep, and all the brown ones among the lambs, and the spotted and speckled among the goats; and these shall be my wages. 33 "So my righteousness will answer for me in time to come, when the subject of my wages comes before you: every one that is not speckled and spotted among the goats, and brown among the lambs, will be considered stolen, if it is with me."
Jacob had worked for 14 years for two wives. But that was all he got in those 14 years of labor. So even though Jacob was ready to leave, he really had nothing to take other then his two wives and their maids and his 11 sons.
Don't you feel like Jacob sometimes, like you're stuck in your job, or your life seems to be going nowhere? God has given you your job but it seems like you have been working forever and getting nowhere. No advancement, no real raise, and not even any recognition for the hard work you have been doing all these years.
Maybe you feel stuck in your marriage like it's the same old humdrum thing; you do the same thing every night and every weekend.
Don't despair, because as we will see in Jacob's life, God is with him the whole time, and things do change for the better. You may not have to wait 14 years like Jacob did, or maybe you will or even longer. But no matter how long it takes, be assured that God is with you.
Laban offered to give something else to Jacob in return for his 14 years of service (maybe a gold watch or something) But Jacob knew Laban to well and said, "You shall not give me anything" I will continue to work for you and you will pay me for this work and my payment will be.
The “speckled and spotted” vs. white.
This is a picture of our thoughts and intentions. While we are alive in the world our thought and affections are never pure. Thoughts are flawed and mixed with falsities. Intentions are mixed with “enlightened self interest” or even selfish motives. But that’s okay. The Lord can work with that.
…The evils residing with man are of various kinds. There are evils with which goods cannot be mingled and there are evils with which they can. And the same applies to falsities. If this were not so nobody could ever have been regenerated. The evils and falsities with which goods and truths cannot be mingled are ones that are contrary to love to God and love towards the neighbour - forms of hatred, revenge, and cruelty, and consequent contempt for others in comparison with oneself, and also consequent false persuasions. But the evils and falsities with which goods and truths can be mingled are ones that are not contrary to love to God and love towards the neighbour (AC 3993:8)
All of our motives are mixed. In the beginning they tend toward the selfish side of the scale, as we get older and progress in our spiritual development they become less selfish and more heavenly -- but never perfectly so.
originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: Septimus
He has. I see neither you or DeadSeraph has addressed any of the verses. Instead, you have attacked the source. And since I know both of you can easily clear up the misinterpretation of these scriptures, wouldn't that be the more Christian and scholarly way to address the discrepancies he points out?
that is an epic claim. i read in another thread that muslims accept Jesus as the son of god. I am glad to see some are trying to reach out but those views do not cover anywhere near all of muslims.
originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: yuppa
No we don't.
In fact the Gospels are 1 of 4 books Muslims adhere to.
It is believed that it has been adapted too much, but in its original form the Bible is a holy book of Islam!