originally posted by: FyreByrd
originally posted by: diggindirt
a reply to: FyreByrd
Honestly, I don't mean to be snarky but----
And it is just such short-sighted nationalistic viewpoint that will - not only deplete, as you say, vital resources, but actually increase dependence
on petroleum products. That is what sickens me; the ignorance of the scope of oil addiction.
Drilling is a dirty business, mining of any kind actually, no matter what you hide from view. But the process isn't the ultimate problem. It is the
pollution that is directly attributable to all stages of oil production from the manufacturing of drilling and fracking equipment to hosing off the
spilled oil on your car after a fill up.
And being short-sighted only exacerbates the problem and could lead to a point where the world has to go 'cold turkey' when the oil is gone.
There are things that are petroleum based - such as plastics that are truly beneficial in specific areas (medicine). With wisdom and compassion we
can pull back from the brink (maybe - it's not a sure thing any longer) rather then rush hell bent for money into the zombie apocalypse that so many
seem to eagerly await.
WOW! Who gets to decide what is "truly beneficial" and can be manufactured of precious resources? What basis will the deciders use to define
You can call me all the names you like, but I noticed that you didn't answer my inquiry about whether or not you've ever seen a modern, actual,
working oil well.
You seem to be living in the Dark Ages here, unaware that anything has changed in the past 40 years. I know because I heard those arguments, hell, I
made those arguments many times, 40 years ago. It was true then and we had photos showing the damages. But laws were passed, technologies were
advanced and the methodology was cleaned up.
If you want to go about holding "The End is Nigh" signs, that's certainly your right but science and technology just might sneak up and save us
all. So, in the meantime, my position is that if I am going to be buying things made from fossil fuels, I'd rather my brother and sister citizens
reap the profits from those resources rather than sending them to people in far away countries who just don't have much liking for us.
Drilling and mining are dirty businesses, no doubt about it. So are many, many other businesses---animal slaughter, farming, handling waste
products....but the thing about our wonderful minds is that we can use them to make those processes, if not less dirty, then safer in the long run if
we apply what we have learned in the past. Sitting around grousing about things that happened 40 years ago and pretending it is still happening just
isn't productive. Getting income streams cut off for literally thousands of families who own mineral rights isn't a nice thing to do to a country
with a struggling economy. You may be sure that Big Oil hasn't suffered. That's what you hear about on the news...all their profiteering...but
what you didn't hear about were all the small, independent folk out there who didn't have the capital for the bribes needing to be paid to stay in
business when some branch of some governmental agency knocked on their door.
There are literally thousands of wells in the US, already dug, already modernized and non-polluting, that have been idled because there was some
government agency that made a declaration saying there was a possibility of pollution occurring. There is no logical, scientific reason for those
wells to be shut down and revenues from them lost. The landowners and the leasing companies have no say in this unless they want to spend millions of
dollars to fight whatever federal agency in on their list.
Do you honestly believe that one fine day we'll wake and to an announcement that all the oil wells in the world have gone dry? or is that "cold
turkey" stuff the same as zombie invasions?
Of course, we as a thinking people will figure it out just as civilizations before us figured out how to adapt to changing conditions. There are
small groups of people all over the world today figuring it out, figuring out what will work for them and working to implement the solutions. They
are the people that realize that the gubermint's idea of "one size fits all" just doesn't work efficiently.
Would you have us hoard our resources and put government in charge of the hoarding? How far are you willing to extend that net?