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Probability and Intelligence is at the heart of the universe not physics

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posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 02:41 PM
a reply to: tridentblue

Good points and thanks for the link.

I do think at the heart of everything is probability and information.

The physical world we experience is just a random output of this information being processed. So let's go back to the Poker example.

The deck of cards would be the wave function. The wave function contains information about all probable states that the cards can be in.

Royal Flush: 4 in 2,598,960 = 1/649,740
Straight Flush: 36 in 2,598,960 = 1/72,193.33
Four of a Kind: 624 in 2,598,960 = 1/4,165
Full House: 3,744 in 2,598,960 = 1/694.17
Flush: 5,108 in 2,598,960 = 1/508.80
Straight: 10,200 in 2,598,960 = 1/255.8
Three of a Kind: 54,912 in 2,598,960 = 1/47.33
Two Pair: 123,552 in 2,598,960 = 1/21.04
One Pair: 1,098,240 in 2,598,960 = 1/2.37
Nothing: 1,302,540 in 2,598,960 = 1/1.96

So this would be the wave function for cards when it comes to the game of Poker. The hand you get is random but it's predetermined by the intelligence that created the game of Poker.

This is the same feature we see in nature with quantum mechanics.

So the probability of finding a photon spin up or spin down is no different than getting dealt a Straight or a Full House.

It seems God does play dice with the universe in part. From our point of view things seem random because we're only seeing the end result of probability and information. We're only seeing one Poker hand so to speak because of things like decoherence.

The wave function is deterministic and contains the information of all probable states that matter can be in. This is one of the key questions in quantum mechanics. How can Schrodinger's equation be deterministic but also coexist with the Uncertainty Principle.

You have to look at the wave function as all that there is (all probable states and information) and the universe that we experience as one probable state of the wave function (uncertainty principle). The uncertainty comes into play because we can't see or experience the other states.

posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 03:48 PM
I agree that there is plenty of evidence that the universe is more information than matter. Information comes from intelligence.

posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 03:59 PM
a reply to: neoholographic

Is God shooting dice randomly or are we simply not intelligent enough to see the pattern he created? I don't know the answer to this question, but it makes you think.

posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 05:28 PM
a reply to: neoholographic

Believe it or not I agree with some of your arguments.

I think you make a good point here, namely, that materialism cannot explain idealistic, realist and theistic notions such as consciousness, the paranormal, psi, mind, a fine-tuned universe, platonic forms, the paranormal, God, Pythagoreanism, and other strange abstract notions.

In other words, the so-called materialists of today, in trying to prove that these idealistic abstract entities and systems emerge from material entities and systems, by using mostly the abstract system of mathematics and rationalism (entities, systems, and scientific methods which have no existence outside of the human mind) to form their judgements in place of cold hard empiricism, are really neo-idealists.

posted on Nov, 12 2014 @ 09:33 PM
a reply to: neoholographic
I like the Poker analogy. I think that works.

It seems God does play dice with the universe in part. From our point of view things seem random because we're only seeing the end result of probability and information. We're only seeing one Poker hand so to speak because of things like decoherence.

hmmmm..."our point of view" is definitely misleading. I like it neoholographic.

As an example of the fallacy of looking at results and conjecturing backwards on what the probability of such occurring was, grab a set of playing cards and deal them out face up, one at a time. When the first card is dealt, the probability of it being whatever it is, is 52-1, the probability of the second card being whatever it is is then 51-1, giving a combined probability of 2652-1. Once you have got through the deck, the probability of you having dealt those cards in that order is a staggering one in 8x1067, which is pretty much "nearly zero", yet you just managed to do it!

posted on Nov, 14 2014 @ 04:52 PM
a reply to: neoholographic

Good words. I really like the end: Its this possibility space, containing all the possibilities, but when we as individuals come to interact with it through observation, it collapses down to one thing in relation to us. That's the world we're in.

posted on Nov, 15 2014 @ 07:07 AM
This has been studied to death by those that have the necessary resources.
Did the esoteric hardware platforms and keys give an unfair advantage?
The old pictures of Richard Feynman out in the desert in the 1940's working in the puzzle house.
Today in Obamaspeak the more general parallel definition of "dependent populations" and zoo keepers.

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