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originally posted by: ProfessorChaos
The denial in this thread is astounding. Even when confronted with the fact that they were hoodwinked, and made fools, Liberals are not only unable to acknowledge it, they still defend it.
Then again, even after a tidal wave of scandals have essentially submerged this administration, there's some that would rather drown, than admit they've been played.
originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: butcherguy
I wanted to see who was covering this story, so I google searched this phrase 'ACA architect calls voters stupid'.
Forbes is covering it. I found the links that I have in the OP. I see right wing blogs with it, but I don't see ABC, NBC, CBS or CNN covering it.
originally posted by: butcherguy
One of the architects of Obamacare said the law was written in a deliberately “tortured” way and relied on the “stupidity of the American voter” to ensure its passage. In a newly unearthed 2013 clip, Jonathan Gruber, the MIT health economist who helped craft parts of the Affordable Care Act, got fairly candid about the tactics used to get the Affordable Care Act passed during a panel at the Annual Health Economists’ Conference last year. “This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure [the Congressional Budget Office] did not score the mandate as taxes,” Gruber said in one 52-second clip. “If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. OK, so it’s written to do that. In terms of risk-rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in – you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed.” Gruber then trumpeted the value of a “lack of transparency” — and called American voters stupid. “Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” Gruber said. “And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really really critical for the thing to pass.”
I think that most legislation relies on the stupidity of the American voter to pass....
But when the guy that devised the law comes right out and calls the voters stupid, well haven't we had enough yet?
Claim: "Obamacare architect" Jonathan Gruber recently said Obamacare only passed due to the "stupidity" of the American voter and a lack of "transparency," and video footage of his remarks was deleted from the internet.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
In light of the OP ... what a boneheaded comment!
He was likely at an academic conference or something but that still doesn't excuse his dumb choice of words.
Net effect of ACA. More than 26 million Americans are insured that weren't. The majority of Americans DO NOT favor repeal.
But I'm excited for the Republican efforts to demolish Obamacare. Almost as exciting as their potential gutting of Social Security/Medicare and Medicaid.
Combining all of this data: of the 8 million sign-ups on the exchange, we can only be confident that around 1.7 million are previously uninsured and enrolled. We can add another 865,000 or so for those purchasing coverage off the exchange, for a total of 2.6 million previously uninsured individual-market enrollees.
Basically, they lied and they knew if we were told that if we had what we wanted, we would then be forced to pay those people who didn't have what they wanted, even when we couldn't afford it, we would never go for it. Why? Because no one wants to go bankrupt.
originally posted by: Ceeker63
I think this information should be brought to the Supreme Court. They need to change their opinion about this ACA. We all knew it was a tax to begin with and now the truth is out.
Obamacare once again faces death before the Supreme Court.
The justices announced Friday they will decide on a lawsuit claiming that the language of the Affordable Care Act doesn't allow the government to provide tax credits to low- and moderate-income health insurance consumers using the federally run Obamacare exchanges operating in more than 30 states. The lawsuit contends that the ACA only permits subsidies to be distributed by state-run exchanges.
President Barack Obama's administration maintains this argument is baseless and that Congress always intended these subsidies to be available nationwide.