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MH17 Update: Missile That Took Down Airline ‘Undeniably’ Provided By Russian – (Unofficial)

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posted on Nov, 10 2014 @ 02:17 PM
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NOTICE - This is not an official report. It examines the evidence to date and goes from there. I added the not official to the title of this article so its more accurate in terms of what its discussing.

MH17 Update: Missile That Took Down Airline ‘Undeniably’ Provided By Russian – Report


The missile that downed Malaysia Airlines MH17 in July came from Russia that was set off from a Buk missile launcher also supplied by the same country to separatist rebels in Ukraine, a crowd-sourced investigation claimed.

The information on the report, called the Bellingcat project, was culled by British investigative journalist Eliot Higgins and other researchers from "publicly available published and broadcast material." The researchers combined citizen journalist and social media accounts as well as used eyewitness material and satellite images to come up with their conclusions.

Malaysia Airlines MH17 was shredded into pieces at the skies over eastern Ukraine on July 17. According to the report, the Buk missile launcher used for the operation was seen being unloaded in Snizhne at least three hours before the downing. Later, the launcher was seen driving through separatist-controlled Luhansk, but minus one missile. Snizhne is a town close to the crash site, the report said.


Click link above for remainder of article.

Click link below to be taken to the report.
crowd-sourced investigation

The report is broken down into 3 sections. Section 1 deals solely with the sources used to put the report together.

An interesting read..

This is just one possible version of what could have occurred. If you wish to participate by discussing / debating the report and the info it contains please join in. If all you want to do is bitch and launch personal attacks on people please don't bother posting.

The report is 35 pages long and includes links to the sources they used.


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posted on Nov, 10 2014 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Oh how completely unbiased, just like you OP (your opinions are well known)

Lies, Pure Lies, just like 9/11 official story is a lie too.
Lets use common sense

Who is the King of black op special operations and false flags .........US is

Who is the major military adviser to new Kiev government ........CIA is

Who uses BUK missile systems..........Both Ukraine and Russia

Who told Malaysian Airline that it was safe to fly and even descent height over a War Zone ??

And who is King on ATS of Anti-Russia information of any kind.......You are OP.
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posted on Nov, 10 2014 @ 03:29 PM
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Whoever shot the missile I very much doubt there was any discussion up-line. It was one or two guys playing soldier, thinking that a plane coming up over whatever trees or fields they were playing soldier from was an enemy fighter, shot the thing off, whoops, and ran like the dickens. The shame of giving deadly weapons to incompetent people - and the major nations all do it, aided by their weapons suppliers and the need for their children to go to college - is when something goes awry fingers get pointed all the way up the food chain.



posted on Nov, 10 2014 @ 03:38 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Let me be completely honest, let me provide the kind of honesty in speech that I noticed Putin practices which is exactly what irks the west so much.

EVEN IF IT WERE TRUE, that Russian separatists thought it was a military plane and took it down.

What exactly do you expect ?

That the Eastern Separatists will simply decide to lay down and DIE by the Kiev fascists and their Pentagon masters simply because of one mistake.

Delusion and Reality, often clash, but reality always wins in the end.



posted on Nov, 10 2014 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: Aleister

I have seen discussion that the intended target was supposed to be an Aeroflot civilian airliner. The speculation / theory was the plane was to be shot down to give Russia a reason to invade Ukraine by blaming Ukraine for the "attack".

I know Russia has been caught in the past doing things like that, with the apartment bombings coming to mind just prior to Putin invading Chechnya. 3 buildings were blown up and the people in the 4th caught the FSB red handed with that bomb. They played it off as a training exercise and promised to investigate, which never happened. The bombings were used to justify Putins invasion of Chechnya.

The issue as I see it, and most pro Russian ignore, is the complete possibility it was an accidental shoot-down. While it does not change the results it would have been easier to just accept responsibility and put it behind them. Instead the denials resulted in the increase in sanctions.

I know the Dutch are doing the main criminal investigation (not part of the cause which was recently released). I am curious how much cooperation they are going to get from the major players involved.

As for the op source I think they make a compelling argument.
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posted on Nov, 10 2014 @ 03:59 PM
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a reply to: WineWithIce5

Refute the facts or dont post. I am done with the personal attacks.



posted on Nov, 10 2014 @ 07:45 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Here is your debate from a RELIABLE source:
www.reuters.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">http...://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/19/us-ukraine-crisis-mh17-germany-idUSKCN0I80G320141019

Gerhard Schindler, president of the BND, told a secret parliamentary committee on security affairs earlier this month that separatists had used a Russian Buk missile defense system from a Ukrainian base to fire a rocket that exploded directly next to the Malyasia Air plane, Der Spiegel reported.

Peace out.



posted on Nov, 10 2014 @ 08:01 PM
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a reply to: Dimithae

Yeah sometime back when this first started I made a post talking about an RT article that covered the rebels acquiring BUK's via capture.

I am not sure why you highlighted from Ukrainian bases though.



posted on Nov, 10 2014 @ 08:03 PM
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Buk systems are old.

There are proofs that Russia is supplying way advanced machines to NAF and that's turning the tide fast.

www.liveleak.com...



posted on Nov, 10 2014 @ 08:30 PM
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It was Verizon. The pilot was late on his bill... Tracked via the NSA (per Ed Snowden). They tracked his Blackberry. Keep your cell phone bills paid, my friends



posted on Nov, 10 2014 @ 08:30 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Well, by that logic the U.S. undeniably supplied ISIS with weapons.

I like this game.



posted on Nov, 10 2014 @ 09:38 PM
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Yup Bellingcat...

The one who knows more as secret services around the World from behind his computer.



In Nov 2013, Eliot Higgins "confirmed" that Syria had used chemical weapons, without noticing that it was not the Syrian government that carried out the attacks.


Bellingcat



The Russian embassy in Berlin received an official response to note #3693 from October 27 regarding Germany’s Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND intelligence agency) President Gerhard Schindler’s allegations that local militia in eastern Ukraine shot down the Malaysia Airlines flight in July.

“The media interpretation of the report of the Federal Intelligence Service (BND) president delivered to the Bundestag Committee overseeing intelligence activities on October 8 is incomplete and arbitrarily taken out of context,” the note says.


BND
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posted on Nov, 10 2014 @ 10:37 PM
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a reply to: Dimithae

I have to disagree that the source you linked is "RELIABLE".

Reuters just quotes a report by Der Spiegel, which itself was based on "incomplete, false interpreted and leaked information".
The Spiegel piece was sensational journalism in the best case - or propaganda in the worst case.

FYI: Der Spiegel was criticized by the German Presserat for violating the publishing principles of the German Press Council (press codex) in puncto Ukraine.

I know ATS is very fond of its own so-called "crowd-sourced journalism", almost always based on social media.

And as much as I admire people distrusting the MSM and rather making up their own minds, I highly doubt that this Eliot Higgins guy knows more than an intelligence service with military reconnaissance at their disposal.

Then again - we don't know what exactly the BND knows, because all the information we have was: incomplete, false interpreted and leaked information.

...Which raises the question: Why? 5 months later and we know... nothing.
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posted on Nov, 10 2014 @ 11:17 PM
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posted on Nov, 10 2014 @ 11:24 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: WineWithIce5

Refute the facts or dont post. I am done with the personal attacks.


Real bad attitude mate. I question if you have all your marbles.

Try being a little more chilled out and respecting of others opinions. Maybe then you will realise that people being bombed, raped, kidnapped and tortured, oh, shelled, disenfranchised, burnt, shot and generally hated by fascist orientated Ukrainian government have a human right to defend themselves and they have a UN mandated right to self-determination.

Oh yeah, whilst I am thinking about it. How about your Ukie mates stop the shelling of Donbass and the MH17 crash site... Then we can all get answers the world needs to here.



posted on Nov, 11 2014 @ 01:47 AM
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a reply to: Blister

It seems to be a recurring theme with people of your mindset. You attack me with nothing to support your claims. The Nazi comment I posted was "Arbeit macht frei" which in german is work will set you free. If you actually read my post instead of listening to the other who like to run their mouth while purposely misquoting people you would understand why I said it.

The person it was directed at was a moron and did not understand the reference and instead tried the nazi quote BS you just tried. Do you guys do any research at all or do you just come in at start calling people names and attacking them?

Dont ever accuse me of being a nazi or having nazi sympathies. Im not, I dont and it offends the hell out of me when ignorance tries to attach that label to me. If thats the best you guys can do, call people names and attach labels to them, then why do you even bother to come into this thread and post?

My attitude comes from people such as yourself who apparently cannot think on their own and would rather derail a thread instead of reading the OP to see what the thread is about. Based on your posts its something you failed to do.

If you actually read the post you would see I dont have a hatred of Russia. I do have a hatred of Putin though and rightly so. I find it hypocritical for you to make the accusations you did while failing to apply the same level of ignorance to the pro russians who hate the US / West.


As I stated -
Refute the facts and stop the personal attacks.
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posted on Nov, 11 2014 @ 01:54 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Not that its relevant to this thread but in 2013 there were 14 documented uses of chemical weapons in syria. The Assad government and the rebels were both attributed to using them.

Last I checked this investigation was not based on German intelligence.



posted on Nov, 11 2014 @ 01:56 AM
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originally posted by: GodEmperor
a reply to: Xcathdra

Well, by that logic the U.S. undeniably supplied ISIS with weapons.

I like this game.


If by supply you mean ISIS seizing US weapons from the Iraqi armed forces then sure. It still would not change the fact that Pro Russian rebels shot down the wrong aircraft.



posted on Nov, 11 2014 @ 02:03 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Newsflash!

Completely unreliable, unofficial report clearly shows that Kiev and Washington were in cahoots in murdering hundreds of people aboard flight MH17, purely as a cynical propaganda exercise to besmirch Russia's standing in the international community.

Sources report that the USA inspired callous and murderous plot, supported by NATO countries in the EU was carried out in cold blood, sending hundreds of innocent people to their grisly and untimely deaths, purely as a disgusting propaganda weapon to use against Russia.

The report details how the Western nations, especially the USA deliberately planned and carried out this terror plot, and instigated and formulated the entire Ukraine unrest, riots and eventual coup there, as a pretext to alienating the Russians, mainly because of Western fears over losing economic control and prime position in the world economy.

The last straw for the US has reportedly been the massive energy deal between the Russian Federation and China, a deal of epic proportions which was made between the two powerhouses recently, which threatens to overturn the US monopoly on energy trading currencies, namely the deal along with the BRICS banking whispers, threaten the petrodollar as the worlds energy trading currency, replacing it with a new currency used by the BRICS nations, the most powerful and influential among them of course are China and the Russian Federation.

The US and her allies simply could not stand idly by and watch passively as their economy literally falls around them and leaves America destitute and in the worst economic shape they've ever been in.

The sources of the report will not be named for fear of reprisal attacks and terrorist actions against them for spilling the beans.

See OP...ANYONE can come up with an unofficial, unreliable and unverified 'report'...in fact this one could have said a lot more.

Unofficial is the same as saying completely useless and made up, and ONLY has value as a propaganda weapon...as well you know, since you have SO much practice at it.



posted on Nov, 11 2014 @ 02:05 AM
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a reply to: MysterX

If we compare the source to your post we can see the main differences would be the source actually linked to where their information came from where as your rant has no such links.

It also demonstrates your inability to read the op to see what the thread is about.

Did you somehow miss the part where I stated its unofficial? My guess is yes.
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