Nobodies Perfect They Say. So What About Jesus?

How was Jesus Perfect? Was his equipment and gear and life perfected by suffering. Nobody can prove that Jesus was resurrected.

Perhaps you want to try. Whats your proof that Jesus was resurrected? Most just have faith. A belief.

What do you think were Jesus perfections? You should list them all no matter how many.

So was Jesus Perfect?

a reply to: leeda

Was he even real? Or just a character in a fictional book?

There is no secular evidence that Jesus Christ ever existed.

perfect, i can't say, he apparently fell in love with a prostitute and resurrected people that had no business being alive, and he did allow himself to be tortured to death so god (himself/his dad) could forgive mankind for their mistakes...so clearly not the sharpest tool in the box.
But he did have a few cool catchphrases like "turn the other cheek"
And anyone that can turn water into wine is pretty damn amazing in my book.

a reply to: leeda

I don't think people who love Jesus, love him because he is perfect.
I think they love him for what he stands for and for what he encouraged people to become.

Nobodies perfect. Perfection is an illusion fostered by some to keep you struggling towards an unattainable goal.

How can we even consider the notion when the man also said look, just be.

a reply to: leeda

Jesus (if he existed) was a man and no man is perfect , regardless of who their father is.

originally posted by: leeda
How was Jesus Perfect? Was his equipment and gear and life perfected by suffering. Nobody can prove that Jesus was resurrected.

Perhaps you want to try. Whats your proof that Jesus was resurrected? Most just have faith. A belief.

What do you think were Jesus perfections? You should list them all no matter how many.

So was Jesus Perfect?

Jesus is the son of the father.
The father is the source of what is actually appearing - Jesus is the first born. Christ is this moment (the present/gift) prior to any thought leading one astray.
There is only what is happening and what is happening is the glory of God - it is the beloved - here and now is the kingdom.

There is only ever what is present but the thoughts that appear presently speak about things outside presence - Satan was cast out of presence.

The one that lives outside presence exists only in thought.
What is real?

a reply to: gortex
Jesus was not really a man - Jesus is the manifest.
The manifest appears out of and in and as the source, which is all there is.
The father and son are one- there is nothing other.

The always presently moving appearance is the manifest - it appears out of the never moving presence.
The never moving presence is the Stable in which Jesus is born, he dies and is resurrected eternally always within the stable.

My opinion will most likely be unpopular, but I may as well be honest. Nobody in the history of mankind has been "perfect", because the idealistic perfection of man does not exist. Jesus is nothing more than the scapegoat developed through ancient stories and astrology, of which he literally was the "sun" of god, or more appropriately the sun god.

Considering the fable of Jesus, I honestly do not even find it disheartening compared to the lives poor, suffering children in 3rd world countries have to live today. I would have taken the life of Jesus over theirs any day. It is almost narcissistic to claim that you are taking the "sins" of the whole world through your crucifixion that lasts as only a moment in time compared to the lifelong crucifixion some have to live today.

Jesus, if he existed in the ideology so many imagine, was not perfect. His mere claim attests to this.

He wasn't perfect at all. I knew him in one of my past lives. He had an unquenchable thirst for amputee porn (which was just sketches back then) and he was very prejudiced, always talking sh*t about Irish people. Which everybody found strange, considering that there were none in the middle east at that point in time.

Whether Jesus actually existed and did all his miracles, was perfect, to me, is irrelevant. I Just choose to believe. Its sorta like Brainwashing myself. I try to be like him. I know I never will. Thats ok. Ill try when I can.

These days everyone wants their chance to slander/mock Jesus or Christianity as a whole. Everyone throws the baby out with the bath water. The message is what is important: Do unto others, recognize that we constantly sin, recognize that we are no better than our fellow human beings. This is what I pay attention to. And I pray: for strength, health, ability to love, accept wha I cannot change...etc. I choose to believe in Jesus. Just choosing to believe, for me, makes him real. He gives me faith, hope, and the strength to go about my day with a positive attitude.

Works for me. Maybe not for you. But pulling hairs over dogma/scripture is pointless imo. More than likely he never existed as the scriptures say.

originally posted by: leeda
How was Jesus Perfect? Was his equipment and gear and life perfected by suffering. Nobody can prove that Jesus was resurrected. Perhaps you want to try. Whats your proof that Jesus was resurrected? Most just have faith. A belief.

Why ask for something from man that only God himself can give?

Proof exists, but you must go to the source of truth directly.

Ask, seek, and knock...

I am speaking from experience, I was given proof.

I no longer have "just faith", I KNOW, so can you.

God always gives proof before He expects faith.

But He is a gentleman, He never forces himself on anyone.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
God doesn't lie either - but he veils the truth from those who consider themselves wise in their own eyes. Finding the truth is a matter of humility and the acceptance of our need for grace (nobody can be counted pure in the eyes of God... Perseverance in seeking the person of God is the key. If we knock, the door will be opened. After that, it's just a matter of time until he 'leads us into all truth' by the power of His Spirit.

The Bible tells us that if we DILIGENTLY seek God, that He will reveal Himself to us. So have at it! Just say "God if you are real, SHOW ME!" Say it out loud, and be patient and DILIGENT - Do it each day diligently and persistently until He shows up. It won't be God the Father, but it will be either Jesus or an angel who will appear to you or you will hear His voice - either in your spirit or audible. He will do it in His timing, not yours, so be persistent and diligent and patient!

A guy at my school was speaking and he said he talking at a convention and he went up to a girl and gave her $20, she started bursting crying.. And she said that when she woke up that she asked God "If your real someone will give me $20 today" So God can show himself in many ways. www.youtube.com...

"If that is not enough, I challenge all non-believers to ask him yourself. If you ask Jesus directly if he is real, to show himself to you, in an honest and humble manner, simply a search for truth, he will do something to show you he is real. Please be patient, as he will do this on his timing, not yours!!"

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
You are an open-minded sort of person, by the look of things! A rare thing in these days and times. I would advise you to pray a simple prayer, and see what happens. Test it out! Simply say: ''God, if you are real, would you reveal yourself to me in some way. I want to know the Truth...''

That's what I did ten years ago, and the very next day someone walked past me in the street, before stopping, turning back and pointing to me. She said: '"You've been praying. God answers prayer. Come with me...''

She was prompted by the still, small voice of calm, the voice of God's own Spirit, who lives with all believers, to be an intermediary between me and God, to prove His existence, so that I could answer the call of God, to give my life to Him.

I came to faith in Christ through her talking with me, and since that day God has shown me a thousand things that I would have no natural way of knowing. He does so in order to help us in real, practical and spiritual ways, and to help others to come to know Him. He desires for you to walk with Him, and to know His voice, and to bless your life in a million different ways.

Take it or leave it - but I hope you take it, in faith.

Ask, and you will receive. Seek, and you will find. Knock, and the door will be opened to you.

Don't bother with 'Droidus the spirit guide' (or others like him) - he has no answers for anyone; not even those who are devoted to him. God Himself will be your guide.

originally posted by: WeAllDieSoon
The nature of the Truth is that not everyone hears it. The proof of God is everywhere. Creation itself is proof. Knowing the Truth and proclaiming it is not pride. I can provide evidence, which I already have, but proof is something that comes from God. The truth is either God revealed the truth or He didn't. The truth is you have been given the ability to seek the truth. Where there is smoke... Me, I know because I spent years seeking. My God has revealed Himself to me. He does that after you seek Him. He does it because He said He would. You can't know if I am telling the truth, though. That is because God designed your reality so that it is up to you, personally, to seek the truth. If you hear it, and believe it, you will seek God. And then you will know what I know.

Gene Neill's interviews are excellent as well... LINK

It could be said that someone like Jesus would be the exception that proves the rule, so to speak.

No he wasn't perfect, he got pretty upset that one time at the temple and started throwing tables around. If I saw someone do that I'd hardly think they were "perfect".

what is perfection? If you design something according to need and it comes out within the parameters of the need then that could be considered perfect. let's sat you need a cheap car that falls apert and so you design one could that car then be considered perfect when it does its job? perhaps we are all perfect

a reply to: leeda

If you take the story of the Fall of Man and the Virgin Birth literally, then the implications are that the sin-nature (the maunfacturing component of personal sin, in the flesh) is passed down through the male, since Adam was the first human being. Women inheret the sin-nature as well, but do not pass it on, since eve was an extension of Adam's flesh. So, theoretically, a human child that is born of a human mother, but a divine and sinless Father, can be born "perfect", which simply means without a sin-nature.

If you believe in a creator that can create a universe from nothing and genetic material in an instant, the story of the Virgin Birth and the Sinless Son, is not much of a stretch.

To be perfect means to be complete or mature.Sin means to miss the mark of perfection(completeness ,maturity).Mankind is born with a religious (sin) nature that is not complete/mature.The amalgamation of a persons experiences form their belief in faith of “their” Belief System religion.

Yahoshua had no Belief System religion because he ALWAYS “knew” the creator God the Father because he is the son of the creator God.He never said he believed in the creator God he only said others would.In other words Yahoshua was “sinless”..matured/ complete/ perfect.

According to bible, He surely did a lot of good things but that alone does not make him perfect. Now for the other hand in order for the body be able to receive the spirit of GOD, that body needed to be perfect.
Let's remember that he really became GOD when he die (transmutation). He live his life as good as he could knowing what he will became.

All of Jesus miracle were already done by the prophets.
What make him perfect? Mary was a virgin, so he did not born marked with the original sin. Therefore GOD could use him to became flesh.

I'm not a Bible thumper, but I did tend many theological classes as part of my curriculum at Fordham University. Jesus has implied many times that he wasn't perfect, that "only GOD" could be perfect. To the faith, he is born without sin, unlike the rest of man. BUT, that doesn't mean he couldn't make mistakes.

Since I've read the Bible in a manner of study, I've come to see the Bible differently than those of true worship. It's a book of how to live a nice, good, happy life, especially for the times. The context is hugely important to me when talking about the Bible - something that is seemingly lost whenever anything about the Bible, or any religious texts or manuscripts are discussed.