If You Don’t Vote, Don’t Bitch!

Wow what a simple-minded statement...

A country can't VOTE its way out of a rigged system...that is why most people stay out of the Casino...

a reply to: JesseVentura

Oh brother, out of all the people on ATS I thought you would have known better. Or perhaps you know something we don't? Because as it stands, it's already decided. You won't win anything, you're not part of the bigger picture. You know this and yet you want us to vote. You literally want us to go waste our time on something that's been rigged for years.

Seems logical.

okay Jesse put up or shut up!
give the people someone they can vote for!!
RUN JESSE RUN!!!

I am serious!! I voted for bush how did that turn out??
It seems that a vote for frick or frack is a vote for destruction.
So well it's Mickey Mouse or Goofy for me at least then I can be humored a tad wondering which one of the candidates would have enough humility to put on the costume when he is sworn in if such a fictitious character actually won! which of course they never will. Probably wouldn't if I managed to convince everyone in the nation to vote for Mickey because the elections are probably rigged!!
But well I have some strange beliefs when it comes to the spiritual side of nature and a vote to me is kind of aligning my power with the candidate I vote for. And after bush I am sorry but I will not lend my power to be used for my own destruction!

So what ya say Jesse?? Will you give me someone to vote for in 2016? or will I have to just throw myself into my delusional world where our elected president is goofy?

a reply to: JesseVentura

if you didn’t vote this past election, you have no right to voice opinion.

What's the point of voting if there's no party that represents your views or ideology , there is no point voting just for the sake of voting.

The only vote I'm interested in is a vote to change the system , I will no longer vote for a political party that doesn't represent my interests.
I am a citizen of my country and I will voice my opinions as much as I please , I don't need to feed the system to do that.

What would make anyone think that a third alternative to the two party system is any better than the two other choices? Canada has this option... Doesn't do much difference. At the end of the day there isn't one politician who knows how to solve a real problem. I dare anyone to ask a politician how to solve war, crime, greed, corruption, poverty or hunger (real issues common to us all). I can guarantee not one would know where to start or would want to solve any of those issues at that. Likely because they have already sold their soul for a dollar.

I agree with the majority of responses on here. Freedom of speech allows anyone to bitch and complain whether they voted or not. Voting does not reserve this right.

However, everyone who can, should participate. Abstain your vote. Spoil the ballot...it still gets counted! (Sucks for all you Americans who let the system force you on electronic voting machines though...good luck spoiling a ballot on a screen). Ultimately, the time has come to stop the insanity!

Demand to vote on paper at the very least! And freely bitch and complain at free will.

a reply to: JesseVentura

the first thing you have ever said Jesse that i also disagree with ... yes i am in the UK but i still have an opinion.

I don't vote because the system stinks, and it matters not which side we vote for its always the same puppet masters in charge... so i put it to you that your idea perpetuates the corrupt system.

where as if nobody voted out of protest .. absolutely no one .. what would happen? would they keep power?
so i will continue to express MY opinion on the current system by not giving them what they want.

Q

I agree with your statement "If You Don’t Vote, Don’t Bitch!". Voting is one of the easiest things a citizen can do for themselves. All they have to do is register, then go vote. I was in and out of voting place in less than 5 minutes.

The thing to remember is we all have to do our homework. Investigate what candidates are saying is correct. Gather facts, vote using common sense and logic. Never vote using emotions to make judgement.

Complaining about who is in office is OK. If you do not like that person VOTE them out. Using the excuse that all politicians are the same is a lame excuse for NOT VOTING. It just proves a point that many people do not care about how are country is run. Those people should be ashamed of themselves.

originally posted by: JesseVentura
When you don't vote, you're going to get the same thing.

When you vote democrat or republican you get the same thing.
The only way to help make a difference to vote outside the box for a third party.

I agree with abe froman - the constitution gives us the freedom of speech to bitch about anything we want to and that includes complaining about partisan peddlers pushing the same old thing.

a reply to: JesseVentura

Yes I get what you are saying but I see it as voting for the left head of the snake or the right head of the snake because nothing will change and why should I vote to legitimize the snake.

So you say but what about 3rd parties I hear you cry.

Well to me its a fixed game and the two heads of the snake both work as a team to eat any little frogs within reach by using the media that they control to discredit anything the little frog does or says.

Do you eat the fog when its small or let it grow a little first so that you get a bit more meat is the only question in the two headed snakes mind.

I would vote for you but you are not on the list where I get to vote.

Warning after I pressed "Edit" on this post my browser got sent to hxxp://www.yuntaishan9.com and I only had one tab open.

Mods you need to get Bill to look at the add-servers on this site

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: JesseVentura

Half the people vote???

Not even. Only 46 million voted this last election out of over 360 million people. Pathetic.

Unfortunately the biggest bitch and moaners are the same ones who don't participate. I blame the lazy people for the state of the nation they spend more time bitching about it than doing something about it in many cases they do absolutely nothing.

I just feel the need to point out that of those 360M, about 25% of them aren't old enough to vote- and at least 50% are too stupid.

But it's pretty obvious at this point that the voting system is broken, so we should probably go ahead and make a new one from scratch.
This time, lets make a system where the votes are actually counted, and not summed up- that way we can eliminate the fraud on the voting side of the system, and only have the whole rest of the system to worry about.

This whole thing is a joke, to me.

I voted. I can bitch.

originally posted by: JesseVentura
My declaration for the day: if you didn’t vote this past election, you have no right to voice opinion. When you don't vote, you're going to get the same thing. But on the flip side, the more the people vote, the more chance of getting alternatives to the two party dictatorship. What can we do to increase voter turn-out? I talk about some ideas, but I want to hear yours too. Plus, find out the historical reason why is voting day on a Tuesday.

Actually Mr. Ventura, we should be counting the non-voting populace as the MAJORITY. Just hasten back to the 2012 elections where Mitt Romney had 60 million votes and Obama around 70 million, thats 130 million votes cast out of 220 million REGISTERED voters (not even out of our 330+ Million populace). Or in other words the majority spoke with a vote of no confidence in the system with the majority (90 million) voicing their opinion by NOT VOTING AT ALL, and not wanting to participate in a broken system.

So why dont we honor that number? Why dont we address this on our national political scale? Why are we still saying we are a representative government when almost half the registered voters ARENT voting, but the 'majority' (HA) is always thrust upon us?

Also, voter apathy as this situation is called, also explains the power grab by BOTH sides. They have to implement these draconian laws in order to protect the shrinking ground the elite are standing on. It is only a matter of time before the real majority of people wake up and realize that the silent majority has always had the power to change things. When that happens (and it is already in motion) we will see how they use the facade of government to try and protect themselves and force rule over us.

Every election cycle since the 1960s has shown a decrease in voter turnout (percentage wise, not raw number wise), with consistently losing the faith of the people doesnt it make sense to try and back us into a corner of laws and lies and stripping of freedoms?

Sure makes a hell of a lot of sense to me, and I will also continue to bitch about our political system when things like this are so blatantly obvious.

I want to edit to add a simple question. Which is the larger number?

A) 60 Million people who voted for Romney?

B) 70 Million people who voted for Obams?

or

C) The 90+ Million people who lacked the faith in our system to even bother voicing their opinion in an arena they want no part of to begin with?

My simple little brain tells me who we should be following, and it wasnt never the Republicans or the Democrats. In fact the rule should be we dont have an elected official until you can garner 111 Million votes, keep going back until we do. Either the people will get tired or the politicians will.

So did you vote Democrip or Rebloodlican?

If you don't want to hear people complain, then leave the country. Every person who is an American citizen has the right to complain about our government. Whether you vote or not. If I don't like the setup of the government the way it is today, with back room dealings, votes being bought, and politicians colluding to destroy this country with pork fat bills, then I'm not going to vote.

I don't care if you don't like it. Tough luck. You support the broken system by voting, and doing nothing to change it. Voting in more degenerate politicians, is not going to change the broken system.

This pretty much sums up how I feel about not voting

Just curious about part of your statement. If you vote NO Confidence, who goes into that office? Or who leaves that office? This is a good reason to have a third party in the elections. Libertarian does not seem like a real option either.

I have a question. If you do not vote, does that mean you are satisfied with whomever is office at the present time? Our are you satisfied with how the current leaders are operating?

a reply to: JesseVentura

Sorry Jesse. I agree with you on a lot of things,but not this one. I refuse to vote for the lesser of 2 evils. Because I'm still voting FOR evil that way. We need Libertarians and constitutionalists to start stepping up and running for these offices. You only tend to see them for the presidential races and they get trounced by the 2 party system so no one can see them. We need people to step up from other parties and be heard for a change. You might start seeing a lot more citizens voting then.

one should be able to deduce fraud is being committed when one doesn't get to vote 'no confidence in candidate'; (career ender)...?

we are expected to vote with confidence that we can end the career of a criminal?

what if I don't have any confidence in anyone but myself? "I'm not a crook"...

Where is freedom for those who don't want to participate in the fraud?

originally posted by: lordcomac

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: JesseVentura

Half the people vote???

Not even. Only 46 million voted this last election out of over 360 million people. Pathetic.

Unfortunately the biggest bitch and moaners are the same ones who don't participate. I blame the lazy people for the state of the nation they spend more time bitching about it than doing something about it in many cases they do absolutely nothing.

I just feel the need to point out that of those 360M, about 25% of them aren't old enough to vote- and at least 50% are too stupid.

But it's pretty obvious at this point that the voting system is broken, so we should probably go ahead and make a new one from scratch.
This time, lets make a system where the votes are actually counted, and not summed up- that way we can eliminate the fraud on the voting side of the system, and only have the whole rest of the system to worry about.

This whole thing is a joke, to me.

Well if you are so certain votes are not counted you should tell all those donors to packs because then they can stop spending billions on trying to sway elections or maybe you just use that as an excuse to not vote and don't know if votes are counted or not at all. If you are saying the ones who didn't vote are too young or too dumb well who am I to argue. No exceptions I say then.