TPP : How America is about to sell its sovereignty to create a concrete NWO

a reply to: tavi45

I'll give this a bump (Don't let it go to your head, Tavi). I think this needs to be watched closely.

originally posted by: LowTechRedneck
a reply to: sirlancelot


You are fooling yourself if you think the loud-mouthed do-nothings called Tea Party plotiticians aren't bought and paid for by the same corporate interests pushing the TPP. Who do you think paid for their campaigns?

It's very difficult for anyone who isn't already wealthy to get elected without accepting money from businesses or corporations. In a large city, impossible. If you're running for a position and have an ideal that you are trying to get out there and a particular business or corporation supports that same ideal offers you financial support to help you succeed, don't tell me you wouldn't accept it assistance.

In fact, if you have a favorite politician, do due diligence and see what businesses and corporations backed them. And don't forget the limits on personal donations which was just changed this year.

SCOTUS - However, the decision left intact the current $5,200 limit on how much an individual can give to any single candidate during a two-year election cycle. Until now, an individual donor could give up to $123,200 per cycle.

The ruling means a wealthy liberal or conservative donor can give as much money as desired to federal election candidates across the country, as long as no candidate receives more than the $5,200 cap.

If you want to run with the big boys, you have to play like the big boys seems to be the motto.

Most Unions and Corporations support Dems, Corporations support Republicans. There's no way to get around it. That's why Independents won't ever be major players, they need money to run for elected positions. The few that do get elected usually get there by joining one of the two party caucus' (supported with corporate funds!). This isn't 1892 where you could traipse about the country on your horse campaigning for yourself and get elected. It is now and will forever be all about the money.

FYI The US Senate currently has 2 Independents, who caucus with the Democrats.

This sounds like an agreement to sell off American citizens as slaves to foreign corporate powers, unknowingly. If that is what this is then you can likely anticipate more of the class division paradigm to happen as the powers that be create an even greater distance to make the poor easier to sell off.

originally posted by: tavi45
What follows is the most credible concrete sign ofthe emerging NWO. This is a conspiracy but not a made up one at all. Many good people in many nations are trying to sound the alarm. I'll start with the words of Congressman Alan Grayson.

"Last month, 10,000 of us submitted comments to the United States Trade Representative (USTR), in which we objected to new so-called free trade agreements. We asked that the government not sell out our democracy to corporate interests.

Because of this pressure, the USTR finally let a member of Congress – little ole me, Alan Grayson [anyone who's seen Grayson in action knows that he is formidable] – actually see the text of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP). The TPP is a large, secret trade agreement that is being negotiated with many countries in East Asia and South America.

The TPP is nicknamed “NAFTA on steroids.” Now that I’ve read it, I can see why. I can’t tell you what’s in the agreement, because the U.S. Trade Representative calls it classified. But I can tell you two things about it.

1) There is no national security purpose in keeping this text secret.

2) This agreement hands the sovereignty of our country over to corporate interests.

3) What they can’t afford to tell the American public is that [the rest of this sentence is classified].

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I will be fighting this agreement with everything I’ve got. And I know you’ll be there every step of the way.

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Courage,

Congressman Alan Grayson

Grayson also noted:

It is ironic in a way that the government thinks it’s alright to have a record of every single call that an American makes, but not alright for an American citizen to know what sovereign powers the government is negotiating away.

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Having seen what I’ve seen, I would characterize this as a gross abrogation of American sovereignty. And I would further characterize it as a punch in the face to the middle class of America. I think that’s fair to say from what I’ve seen so far. But I’m not allowed to tell you why!"

www.washingtonsblog.com... text-secret-this-agreement-hands-the-sovereignty-of-our-country-over-t.html

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a reply to: Asynchrony

Not just Americans either. This will do the same for the other countries who sign on as well.

The corporations already have extremely disproportionate power, with many corporations being worth more than most of the world's nations. This will increase their money and power further and allow them to circumvent the laws of signatory nations.

If you think things are bad now, which is more people than not, they will get significantly worse if this gets pushed through.

a reply to: tavi45

you know, it's funny....i've been hearing about the TPP for years....

Alex Jones has been trying to warn people about it for years....people like you always wrote him off as a looney...

all i ever hear is that "the TPP isn't real", and then the standard raft of "tin foil hat"-related comments...

it's strange that a thread about it is being taken so seriously..what's more surprising is that it's coming from you....

bravo, man....

a reply to: Daedalus

I didn't know you knew me well enough to know my position on Alex Jones :p

Apparently I've developed quite a reputation in a short time.

Is my reputation with you that I'm against conspiracy theories?

I dislike Alex Jones because I watched a troubled friend of mine descend into complete insanity thanks to Infowars. Alex Jones has a cluster bomb approach. What's the expression? Even a broken click is right twice a day.

I think the reason that I and the other people accepting it is because it's not coming from Alex Jones. It's being discussed by American politicians as well as people in power in many other nations. Canada and New Zealand have spoken strongly about it.

Notice I started the thread with a respected Congressman's actual words. When Alex Jones talks about it, it's a conspiracy theory. When someone credible talks about it it's a conspiracy

Recently the US Supreme court ruled corporations are "people". Corporations can now supply unlimited $ to any election. Court rules lifted the hassle of declaring contribution limits. Amazing to work in DC and see the massive amount of project funds we must send to private overseas accounts. All taxpayers are considered as working "stock" for highly elite Capitol gains and International interests. Milking it for all your worth because so far not even one citizen has seriously revolted or fired any elite in DC, Moscow, Paris or Tokyo. Nothing much to really fear from the public. Systems already have started to control internet protest. After the next phase, most won't remember this sort of freedom. Never again a twitter type network to launch another Arab spring (unless it happens to work in favor of a NWO agenda) Let them eat Monsanto cake. All of us huddled masses are to blame for living in fear of a tiny 1% a reply to: Asktheanimals

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: Daedalus

I didn't know you knew me well enough to know my position on Alex Jones :p

like too many others here, i've seen you badmouth him a time or two...

Apparently I've developed quite a reputation in a short time.

that's not necessarily a GOOD thing, lol

Is my reputation with you that I'm against conspiracy theories?

more like, at times, you seem to be completely out of touch with reality....not saying that to be deliberately antagonistic, i'm just disclosing it in the interest of answering your question as truthfully as possible.

I dislike Alex Jones because I watched a troubled friend of mine descend into complete insanity thanks to Infowars. Alex Jones has a cluster bomb approach. What's the expression? Even a broken click is right twice a day.

CLOCK, DAMN YOU!...a broken CLOCK is right twice a day...

i'm not a fan of his personality, most of the time...he has this annoying habit of, when he's really passionate, and feels really strongly about something, to sort of spiral out of control in really short order, and ends up all red-faced, yelling, and ranting..he ends up resembling a crazy person, and i think that turns a lot of people off...but everything he presents is sourced, and backed up with documentation, so it's not as if he's making it all up...

I think the reason that I and the other people accepting it is because it's not coming from Alex Jones. It's being discussed by American politicians as well as people in power in many other nations. Canada and New Zealand have spoken strongly about it.

and i think that's stupid, and spiteful....i mean that'd be like both you and bill(skeptic overlord) presenting me with a picture of the sky, and telling me it's blue...but i only choose to believe bill, because it's coming from him, and not you. every time jones has brought up the TPP, it's been with documentation, and proof that it was being worked on..

Notice I started the thread with a respected Congressman's actual words. When Alex Jones talks about it, it's a conspiracy theory. When someone credible talks about it it's a conspiracy

yes, i did notice that, and as i said, jones has presented proof and documents, and citations when he's talked about it...

just writing it off as being crazy just because jones is saying it, is ignorant, and shortsighted....

my own problem with jones stems from an incident a few years back...

he hawks these products through his inforwars team website....one of them was the orange-flavored drink powder that was full of vitamins and minerals....he claimed it was goddamn good, and that he'd lost a bunch of weight from using it....i figured i might wanna try it out, so i went to the site, and read the blurb. before i buy something i plan to ingest, i read the ingredients, and nutritional information panel....strangely, neither was available on the site....took me a while to track down the actual manufacturer of the product, and i was able to pull the information i wanted from there..

now, jones goes on and on about how lead, mercury, chromium, etc are bad....and yes, they are bad for you...

i read the ingredient, and the NIP, and i'll be goddamned if mixed into the minerals list i didn't see "lead", "mercury", "chromium", and a few others that are on the "thou shalt not eat" list...

i made a stink about it on his forum, and not only did my comments disappear, but the nutrition, and ingredient information disappeared off the manufacturer's website, only to be replaced a little later, with sanitized versions, that omitted any mention of the offending materials.

and he still sells the s**t to this day...i saw he was still selling it at the time, and i felt that was kinda dishonest, and deliberately misleading, so i stopped watching his stuff regularly, and didn't renew my prisonplanet.tv subscription.

i don't think the guy is full of s**t...his information is mostly good, i just can't deal with deliberate deception, and hiding stuff, no matter how minor....not when it comes to something like that...

a reply to: Daedalus

I'm not surprised if I seem out of touch with reality as my views in real life are not always what I present on here. I tend towards hyperbole, playing devils advocate, and sarcasm, which leads to some ridiculous things when trying to counter the many ridiculous things I come across here. Not to mention that my tools of choice fare incredibly poorly on the Internet.

I'd be interested to know what exactly makes me seem so out of touch with reality though. If you'd like (as i most definitely would like if you did) PM me about them. I'm not here for validation but to learn, about myself, others, and the world at large. It's not my only source, or the best, for learning but I've always had a strong tendency to enjoy that which lies outside the mainstream.

I've never really watched him to be honest. I was introduced to him by my friend back when I was living in my fantasy world of "everything's fine". As an extremely open minded guy I didn't mind my friend sharing some of it with me. Then i watched him slowly slide down a path into compete insanity.

Last I saw him he would only drunk water he specially ordered because he was afraid of fluoridated water. This special water came in a painters bucket and was 2/3 clay. The clay just say at the bottom in a thick pile found absolutely nothing. He was also nearly broke and barely making ends meet with prostitution. So buying expensive buckets of water with clay was just ridiculous. The whole thing left me extremely extremely turned off by Alex Jones. I just dying like hucksters and as you pointed out in your post he's definitely a snake oil salesman.

a reply to: MARKjAUSTIN

They may be a tiny 1% but they have a high degree of control over every aspect of our lives. Most people just want to enjoy their lives. We've had things so good for so long that we've forgotten what real struggle is.

Here's what Elizabeth Warren has to say about the TPP......it's interesting to note that it's actually 150 senators that stand between Obama trying to "Fast Track" this abomination by the end of THIS YEAR , 123 Democrats and 27 Republicans.....if ever there was a time to bombard your Representatives with phone calls and letters it is NOW !!!!



I said in an earlier post I hoped to share my observations and experiences about how corporate structures operate, but as I've spent many hours researching this over the past few days I've decided that my time is better spent making other points in this important thread. Right now Congress is in effect the American Public's Union Representatives and all corporations view Unions with CONTEMPT for demanding they put human rights before profits. I've discussed in other threads the deep shame I feel for being a part of breaking the union ( they used their management staff to run their stores during the union strike and sent us all to different areas because they knew most people wouldn't have the heart to screw the people they had relationships with in their own districts ) or at least weakening it to the point that the people that now work at store level for this company will NEVER again enjoy the decent jobs they once were. The old timers were "Grandfathered" in but many of them were so harassed they took the deal to be bought out and left the company. Who are the ones who now get the #ty new jobs...OUR Children !!!

This sham of a trade agreement is a Trojan Horse that seeks to allow 600 corporate leaders to make policy for us without any meaningful representation. The founders of America very specially gave power over trade agreements to the legislative branch of government for a reason....remember the Boston Tea Party ?! No words can express how disgusted I am that Obama is willingly and eagerly pushing to by pass Congress to sell out not only the Democratic Party, the People who elected him under the guise of "transparency", and the Whole friggin World !!

Here's the good news folks....if they don't push this through in Obama's last term they likely never will ! His deal with the Devil has come due and he's gonna try to use executive power to pay his dept with our sovereignty. For those of you who think that the last elections strong show of support for Republicans was a win, remember this only 27 Republican Senators have shown opposition to the TPP ( funny how that sounds like the nickname for something used to wipe #ty butts ) I urge everyone to SCREAM as loud as they can to stop this nightmare and flush it down the toilet were all soiled, stinky things should go!

As I watched Obama at the Asian Pacific summit, I couldnt help but wonder what he was going to tell the chinese, about trade. And what agreements the Americans and the Chinese have come to, For China to turn a blind eye to the amount of debt we owe China. It has to be some pretty juicy stuff, for them not increasingly pissed about the debt we owe

a reply to: MountainLaurel

based solely on this video clip, i'm gonna say: "i like her"....i know nothing about this senator, but i think i'd like to research her a bit...

originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: MountainLaurel

based solely on this video clip, i'm gonna say: "i like her"....i know nothing about this senator, but i think i'd like to research her a bit...

I hope you will, she gets a lot of heat for having what some would call socialist ideas...but I like her and appreciate her efforts to be honest and straight forward. Hillary and Obama can't touch her level of integrity.

Here's a good breakdown of what's happening by TYT about the TPP and why Obama loves it along with the new GOP in charge.

Corporatist Obama Excited Now That Those Pesky Dems Are Gone

a reply to: mOjOm

When's that from? I'm a big TYT fan and never caught that one.

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: mOjOm

When's that from? I'm a big TYT fan and never caught that one.

It says Nov. 6th. So 5 days ago. I just saw it today.

originally posted by: tavi45
This is very very real. It's cloaked in secrecy. It will sell out America's sovereignty and the sovereignty of the other signatory nations to corporations, bankers, and others of the ruling elite. Remember all those laws preventing toxic waste in rivers or lead in children's toys. Meaningless. Remember the tiny smidgen of internet freedom we have? Gone.

Decide for yourself but this seems like every fear that people in the real world and especially people on this site have rolled into one.

They are so sure of our complacence they are doing it in plain sight. This is as conspiracy as it gets. It's also going to fly through in America now that corporatist Obama has the support of Congress.

This is not what any regular American wants. This is certainly not going to be beneficial to the other nations that sign on.

It's sole purpose is to defend the Western elites from the BRICs becoming strong enough to challenge their supremacy while simultaneously giving control of the signatory nations to supranational NWO control. That NWO thing everyone's talking about on here. It's getting pretty blatant and obvious now.

S&F for the thread. The SPP (Security and Prosperity Partnership) that Dubya Bush signed with Mexico & Canada was also done in secret. I remember Lou Dobbs (when he was with CNN) fuming on screen that all of this was done without ever informing US citizens. Lou Dobbs was no longer welcome at CNN for his on-screen "rants" and they let him go.

The SPP was done back in 2005 or 2006 and was seen by us conspiracy nutters as a paver for the North American Union (as was NAFTA). The eventual NWO goal would be the end of the US as a sovereign nation with borders.

This NWO goal has been in the works for decades (some believe centuries).

If you're old enough to remember back in the 1980's when Spanish was suddenly offered everywhere official. The "official" reason was to make things easier on our Mexican "guest workers" (like they give a $%^# about them). The real reason was to slowly acclimate US citizens to "Spanish spoken here."

It's true that both Republicans & Democrats are operated by the Elites, but the Dems are definitely on the fast track to the NWO. I prefer a slower track to the inevitable. I believe the Elites behind the Republicans will try to hold on to US hegemony as long as possible.

I also believe the Nazis merely went underground.