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TPP : How America is about to sell its sovereignty to create a concrete NWO

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posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 09:09 PM
a reply to: Bundy

It's propaganda at its finest. I get annoyed by the Obama haters because 99.999% of them did not make this decision on their own based on their own thinking. The fact that they think the ACA is communist is even sillier than that he is.

Only 10% or less of Obama haters actually understand politics enough to have an informed opinion on the matter. The rest is either partisan hatred, propaganda regurgitation, or raw racism.

He's a corporate puppet through and through. He's practically brought back slavery with how owned he is by white businessmen.

Note : all percentages are made up

posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 09:18 PM
a reply to: Bundy

"Am i the only one highly disappointed in this Alan Grayson guy?"

Someone else in the thread mentioned that already, although he used the weird coward. I forgot to respond.

My take is that he is far from a coward. He, much like Warren, probably wants to follow the rules to a T so that he can't be taken out for breaking his clearance. He can do a lot more to help fight it as well as stay in the info loop if he remains in Congress.

He blew the whistle, albeit it softly, and leaks since then have filled in the gaps.

This is not new. Many Democrats and Tea parties have been against it for a while now and have prevent it moving forward numerous times, including the much hated Harry Reid.

In other words screaming everything at the top of his lungs might be brave but it would be stupid to say the least, and highly counterproductive.

Remember, Obama as well as many Democrats and Republicans in Congress are totally for this. If he played this wrong they could have brought down the hammer.

posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 09:49 PM
a reply to: tavi45

Perhaps Obama, Corporations, and Marx have more in common than what is visible.

Compare the Marx 10 planks and the structures of most international corporations and banks.

Then re-think the MSM agenda.

“The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.”

-Vladimir Lenin

The Obama PR campaign is very effective.

posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 09:59 PM
a reply to: tavi45

Do you think the will of the American people will actually let this happen?

Did the recent election not show you that not everyone is asleep?

posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 10:13 PM
a reply to: MRuss

Why do you believe the recent elections proved that people are not asleep?

Admittedly i do not pay a whole lot of attention to election results. Mainly because i think the election process and politics itself these days is a fraud, kabuki theater. It's all tammany hall now.

If i recall correctly this year there was an all time low voter turnout. If it was that way because people didn't vote as a statement that they have no one to vote for, or distrust the system itself (I'm doubtful, i can hope though) then i would say that is a good sign.

posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 10:22 PM
a reply to: xuenchen

Wow. That was some good insight. I never read the ten planks and did so after reading your post, and that nifty quote. Very interesting. It solidifies in my mind that these people at the top are all in on this and just pretend to fight among themselves so we'll follow suit. Divided we fall.

posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:22 PM
a reply to: xuenchen

That Lenin quote is terrific! They already have the next phase political party working its way up in popularity, the Libertarians. This idea that complete deregulation, 100% free market will sort everything out is all part of the plan to drive down labor costs while prices continue to increase. The next phase is to have labor laws and costs in line with southeast Asia, which is to say near-slave-labor. Under Libertarian ideals, if you get caught up in that type of labor, it was your fault for not taking personal responsibility for your life. Also if a particular product causes disease, disability or death, it is again your fault for not taking personal responsibility to do your research; and that the free market will solve the issue of the product by people stop buying that particular product or products for that company, nevermind that with absolutely zero regulation the company can and will just cover up the entire mess and nothing changes.

That's what we have to look forward to as TPTB control the opposition through the TPP.

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posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:27 PM
All may be true, but you forget one thing my friend. "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power."-Musolini

It was partly about corporate power and oligarchies back then too.

originally posted by: sy.gunson
Czechoslovakia was a rich and powerful country up until 1938, then in the Munich Agreement the nazis procured agreement from France Italy and the UK for a set of principles which the TPP replicates.

We all know how terrible the enslavement of Czechoslovakia was.

Only this time the Power is not in the hands of Governments, but in the hands of Corporates.

Who elected the corporates. I never voted for them, did you?

There is only one vote which rules in shareholder meetings, that is greed. Greed is just naked evil. Is that the future we want for our society?

I am not talking just about American society. The TPP will distort and destroy the sovereignty of several nations. This is about the destruction of society globally and the substitution of a cult of greed and subjugation to big business.

posted on Nov, 9 2014 @ 12:26 AM
a reply to: onequestion

They all take turns housing entities and were actually created for this purpose. However you cant spot them in person or motion picture...has to be a still picture.

Besides...its so far out there you wouldn't believe it even if someone with great scientific status explained it on CNN.

Hope everyone's ready because its gonna get real real weird. Matter fact everyone will basically envy the dead and those that recently died. Cant wait to see all the ones that say they have NO FEAR out there.

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posted on Nov, 9 2014 @ 05:45 AM

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: michaelbrux

That's a very idealistic interpretation. Last I checked the government has for more control over the life of an average American than the average American has over the government.

Dissolve the government right now. Come on, do it. It didn't work? Darn just keep trying

its realistic enough...asking an American to show Control by dissolving the Government is like asking a person to strip themselves naked and walk into the wilderness.

what's in it for me to want to prove such a thing.

your's is a fundamental aspect of the War that's been brought upon the American people, i think.

some imagine that Americans are not aware that their Government is as a shield, armor and sword and that they'll discard of it for light and transient causes.

i have no interest in dissolving the I have no interest in divorcing my Wife just to prove that I can.

posted on Nov, 9 2014 @ 05:52 AM
a reply to: vkey08

exceptionally clever individuals often define and interpret concepts in order to accomplish their designs against an unsuspecting people.

in each of of your examples the Sovereign people always survived...their creations did not.

Germans are still here, Russians are still here, the Chinese are still here...apparently even the Ottomans are still here.

it seems more appropriate to say that for a time, Sovereignty of a people can be suspended but it always returns to the People.

those who thought differently disappear and didn't get a second opportunity to conduct transactions using human dignity as currency.

posted on Nov, 9 2014 @ 10:41 AM
"It's not Personal, it's just Business "........for those of you who have never worked in a corporate environment.. remember those words....they are used a lot ! Having worked for a large US corporation for 15 yrs, climbing the ladder from a clerk to a district manager , I'm here to tell you this is so terrifying I haven't even completely been able to wrap my mind around this whole thing....TY OP for a clearer understanding of what the TPP actually is and what the implications are...I didn't sleep well last night after reading this......

I was forced to resign for not playing "ball" after sacrificing 7 years, although I worked for the co. for 15 years....the last 7 years working "Backstage" as it's called in the corporate environment, was like traveling to the Twilight Zone ......It's taken me several years to really put into perspective what happened to me and what is happening to America and the World. I hope I will be able to find the words to come back to this thread and share with you what I see as a well thought out "Action Plan"... another well used corporate term, to acquire "Assets" ...the assets now being Countries and the compliance of the people that inhabit those Countries.

I have to go for now...but hope I can comeback and try and explain, from my experiences and observations, HOW corporations get people to "play along" .......

posted on Nov, 9 2014 @ 01:12 PM
a reply to: MountainLaurel

I have a friend who ended up working for one of the biggest players in finance right after college. His father worked in energy/finance for decades. My friend ended up leaving the job after a few years and went into politics.

He never told me anything specific at all but I know him very well. He's an idealist and pretty progressive in spite of his party affiliation.I always assummed that he found the corruption and pure evil of finance too inhuman to handle.

You can call it fascism or communism but using such archaic terms is not particularly helpful. This is a new system designed from learning from the mistakes of all the great empires and utilizing modern technologies and ideas in conjunction with those of the past.

posted on Nov, 9 2014 @ 01:31 PM
a reply to: tavi45

here in the uk its called ttip and we dont want this either but we are not been listened to by the government there is even a media blackout here about it
i joined the 38 degree movement and i go out leafleting people in the street to raise awareness and nobody knows about ttip

the more the government ignores us the more momentum the revolution in Europe gathers pace viva the revolution

posted on Nov, 9 2014 @ 01:43 PM
It seems the only party against the TTIP in this country is the greens, meanwhile ukip are for it. Giving UK sovereignty over to corporations. a reply to: seethetruth surprisingly very little media coverage about this the UK especially from those newspapers always flapping about giving up sovereignty to the

TTIP is being marketed by its champions as a de facto economic stimulus for ailing Europe, providing up to £100bn in extra growth. It is presented as a free trade agreement, but existing tariffs on either side of the Atlantic are already weak because of common membership of organisations such as the World Trade Organisation. The actual aim is to strip away obstacles to large corporations making profits – such as regulations that protect our privacy, the environment, food safety and the economy from a rapacious financial sector. And – crucially – TTIP further opens up public services to private companies motivated primarily by profit rather than people’s needs.
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posted on Nov, 9 2014 @ 01:49 PM
New Zealand is the strongest voice against it. Canada is also highly critical.

China is actually expected to join, initially they rejected it.

Japan is unhappy about the agricultural provisions which are extremely punitive but exempt the US.

It's a worldwide cluster#

posted on Nov, 9 2014 @ 02:43 PM
Sadly with McConnel in charge of the Senate it looks like tpp may be closer to being tracked. Hopefully the tea party and some dems can keep fast tracking from happening. Considering no one in congress has really been able to see whats is in the TPP I hope they all learned a lesson about from the ACA crap.

I checked my states congressman's position on the TPP and fast tracking and sadly Rubio a supposed conservative is all for it.

Don't corporations have enough influence? Nope with the tpp in force its gonna get even uglier!

posted on Nov, 9 2014 @ 03:45 PM
a reply to: MountainLaurel

I would be very interested in hearing your personal experience. Looking forward to it.

posted on Nov, 9 2014 @ 03:49 PM

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: xuenchen

I don't trust paul. Can't really out my finger on it but for some reason I just don't.

Why would you trust any politician? I don't know one that wouldn't sell their soul for a dollar.

I trust Alan Grayson, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, and Dennis Kucinich although he's no longer in Congress. I trust Gary Johnson who ran for President in 2012 although you'd never know it by the MSM.

There's several out there who would be great but they'll never make a big splash because the opposition is massive; anyone who is truly a threat is taken out early in the game; that would be Paul Wellstone and John F. Kennedy Jr., who were both murdered. One was running against a Republican in a critical race, the other had just told his editorial staff that he was in possession of documents regarding the real killers of his father and was going to go public with them, and that he was also going to run for the NY Senate for the job Hillary Clinton wanted. (who do you think would have won that runoff, JFK Jr. or Killary?)

I don't trust Ron Paul at all; he took in millions in donations, made members of his family his well-paid campaign staff rather than seasoned political operatives, then ran like a coward when he was confronted with the Romney machine at the Republican Convention. He should have seen that coming, instead he caved, leaving his delegates in the lurch. He's in it for the money and so is his son.

Grayson on the other hand, made his money the real way, he had his own business, and Warren isn't interested in money, she's interested in fairness. And I'd like to say right now, if anyone ever hurts a hair on Liz Warren's head, there's a not small group of people who will go berserk on TPTB in retribution. People like her tend to have 'accidents' and the Republicans in Congress are both deathly afraid of her, and hate her guts for showing them up for the scum that they are. Look at what happened with the Consumer Protection Bureau formation debacle; it was a mess of partisanship.

posted on Nov, 9 2014 @ 04:15 PM

originally posted by: LowTechRedneck
a reply to: xuenchen

it was your fault for not taking personal responsibility for your life. Also if a particular product causes disease, disability or death, it is again your fault for not taking personal responsibility to do your research; and that the free market will solve the issue of the product by people stop buying that particular product or products for that company, nevermind that with absolutely zero regulation the company can and will just cover up the entire mess and nothing changes.

That's what we have to look forward to as TPTB control the opposition through the TPP.

I have seen this line of reasoning before and it is disgusting.
They pulled the same line of reasoning with people being ripped off by Banks.
I have seen some say that they would never sell products / food that would harm you because it would kill their customer base. If you sell a poisonous products and a few people die, no big deal, you still have 6 billion other potential customers.

They can do a cost analysis to see how big a deal it is the same as the Big Banks do over and over with breaking laws and paying fines.

These types want complete freedom to exploit other people and want the government out of the way so they can do as they please.

Why not go all the way and disband the military and police too so that people can take matters into their own hands?
No, they want the protection of police and military to have their back.

Absolutely Disgusting

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