TPP : How America is about to sell its sovereignty to create a concrete NWO

originally posted by: dr1234
You know what, I was scared at first that this will pass. But I'm honestly done living in fear and control of the PTB. I have seen the entire playbook and this is nearing the final inception of the NWO. You know what I feel now? I hope it passes so people will finally wake up, and let me tell you, people are sick of the elites raping of humanity. If this passes we can finally stand together and put this group down like a rabbid dog.
Go ahead and pass it you greedy warmongering scum, make my #ing day.

Negative. No one will do anything. That's the American way. If anyone were to do something we would have never gotten to this level of rot in the first place.

originally posted by: sy.gunson
a reply to: tavi45

Few People remember that the original proposal for a New World Order was made by Adolf Hitler and the Nazis.

In early 1940 before the Invasion of France, USA enthusiastically endorsed the Nazi proposal for a New World Order whereby the sovereignty of lesser nations would be subsumed by a handful of greater powers.

This was exactlty what the nazi agenda was about. Territory, Trade and Global power.

The Nazis proposed that capital have the ability to travel through porous national boundaries and be immune to the sovereignty of nations. Now the Tran Pacific Partnership Agreement or TPPA intends to re-instate the Nazi agenda of 1940 on behalf of corporate multi-nationals.

Rubbish.The original idea for a NWO was created long before Hitler was even born.

There was no plan by Hitler for a NWO who actually wanted nations to remain free nations and away from the International bankers.

I believe the conspiracy that Hitler was involved with the NWO, or even wanted to take over the world, has been debunked.

American Sovereignty isn't owned by the US Government.

I was going to go into a long drawn explanation, but what would be the point?

originally posted by: michaelbrux
American Sovereignty isn't owned by the US Government.

I was going to go into a long drawn explanation, but what would be the point?

Well for one you could explain what the hell this means. Do you mean "owned" in a literal sense? Or do you mean they take orders from a much smaller but far more conniving and war loving country?

" I'm just genuinely suprised the government website is so candid."



Yeah, they are more up-front about things all the time.
That means they are convinced they can get away with it...because they DO!

a reply to: dr1234

I mean the Government doesn't own Sovereignty and can't sign it away. In a literal sense, the People are Sovereign and the States Sovereignty is implied in the sense that is the creation of the People. there is no agreement that can be written, no matter how cleverly, that can compromise American Sovereignty.

some guy who filled out a few forms, paid a small fee and won an election is not endowed with the ability to sign away any such thing as Sovereignty.

The Beast system in America is a myth in fact, the US Government is a Machine and has no being separate from its creators.

if you all remember...Americans wrote the US Government into being, the US Government didn't write Americans into being.

there is only ONE place you could go to deal for American Sovereignty and I don't think any of you have the stomach for that place.

originally posted by: michaelbrux
a reply to: dr1234

I mean the Government doesn't own Sovereignty and can't sign it away. In a literal sense, the People are Sovereign and the States Sovereignty is implied in the sense that is the creation of the People. there is no agreement that can be written, no matter how cleverly, that can compromise American Sovereignty.

some guy who filled out a few forms, paid a small fee and won an election is not endowed with the ability to sign away any such thing as Sovereignty.

The Beast system in America is a myth in fact, the US Government is a Machine and has no being separate from its creators.

Totally 100% agree, I thought you were going a different direction with that my friend.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
a reply to: vkey08


LOL! I can't type the word w-I-n-d-o-w either.

Off topic for just one moment, if you type Window it works if you type window it doesn't... (well gee it worked)

Now back to the thread, it's just darn funny about this word.....

originally posted by: michaelbrux
if you all remember...Americans wrote the US Government into being, the US Government didn't write Americans into being.

there is only ONE place you could go to deal for American Sovereignty and I don't think any of you have the stomach for that place.

There is a difference between "National Sovereignty" in this instance then what you are thinking of (which is a government sovereign over the people)

National Sovereignty has a very well defined meaning in international agreements and it CAN be signed away or dissolved by agreement of all parties, without the consent of the "people"

National Sovereignty can also be destroyed by War, as instanced in both WW1 and WW2 (or in the case of WW1 the partitioning of the Ottoman Empire and the partioning of Germany after WW2, both were a direct result of a loss of National Sovereignty.. )

a reply to: michaelbrux

That's a very idealistic interpretation. Last I checked the government has for more control over the life of an average American than the average American has over the government.

Dissolve the government right now. Come on, do it. It didn't work? Darn just keep trying

Here's a recent interview about the current status of the TPP. I suggest you read it in full. It's not long.
I'm going to post the section I found highly relevant and a link to the whole interview. It discusses the enforcement mechanism of the treaty.

m.democracynow.org...

"AMY GOODMAN: What if you refuse to do that? What if you said, "No, we’re going to buy America"? What’s the enforcement mechanism?

LORI WALLACH: So, that’s a very good question because, unlike most of our international agreements, the TPP has two strong enforcement mechanisms. First, if the U.S., for instance, were to continue to buy American and give that preference to our domestic economy, or, for that matter, states with Buy Local or communities with Buy Local school food, all of those things would be a violation of that agreement. Then, what happens is, any other country can drag the U.S. into a TPP tribunal, and if we don’t get rid of the law, the U.S. would face perpetual trade sanctions, fines. This is actually enforceable international corporate law.

But worse, in the TPP, the TPP provisions on investment would make some of the TPP constraints on policy actually enforceable by private individual companies, when an individual company could privately enforce a public treaty by insisting the U.S. government compensate the private investor or company out of our taxpayer dollars for any violation of the agreement that undermines their expected future profits. So, while we have multilateral environmental agreements or human rights or labor rights agreements, that aren’t that enforceable—we set the standard internationally, but each country is supposed to enforce it domestically—there’s no sanction. With TPP or the WTO, there are sanctions. There is the ability to extract cash. And that’s what makes these agreements so dangerous and why everyone needs to talk to their member of Congress in the House of Representatives and get an eye-to-eye commitment: Will you vote no on fast track? Do not give away your constitutional authority, to save us from these bad trade agreements."

a reply to: xuenchen

Others might say he is actually scapegoating to force Obama's hand and expose the entire mess for what it probably is.

I was wondering this myself. Since O himself apparently is for it, and it supposedly will interfere with workers ability to organize(according to the OP anyway), why would the Marxist do that? One minute O is the organizer of common people, the next he is a "neocon"....
I was disappointed in Rand Paul supporting the move, but he may view it also as stopping union organizing. So it's hard to know for sure.

a reply to: vkey08

congress doesn't get to see the draft of the proposal/treaty/whatever you want to call it (I call it a bill of sale of the USA) before they vote upon it. (I am not even sure reading some articles if they get to see it after they vote on it)

This is insanity! It's more of Pelosi's "you've got to pass the bill to see what's in it", only no one gets to see it anyway.....You are right, it overruns Congress if they let it. Congress should eschew it like the Plague.

a reply to: lordcomac

They sure fixed that. Now everyone has a hundred channels in their home, and there's nothing to watch.

Out of hundreds of channels on my plan, there's 100 in foreign languages. These channels just appeared without my changing my plan.

The far left and far right both dislike the TPP.

The center left and center right are for it.

Since there are so few far left politicians left in Congress, it's up to the far right tea party to stop it.

Obama is not a Marxist, he's a center right corporatist masquerading as a Democrat. He's been a puppet of the ruling elite from the start.

Ever wonder how a freshly minted senator that barely anyone knew suddenly became President of the United States? It's not because he's communist.

Am i the only one highly disappointed in this Alan Grayson guy? I mean, you get the chance to talk about something so important as this and he chose to be extremely vague and just say "I promised i wouldnt talk about it" pretty much. This is why our politicians deserve zero respect. Those who follow the orders of criminals ( not a strong enough word for them) are no better themselves.

He could have just came out and told us what's going on here, what exactly he got to read. Instead, we get "It's bad but i can't be too specific about why".

We literally have not one single person in our government who is working for us. They choose to work for and protect fictitious people, corporations, instead of real American people. I hope every single one of these suit wearing, phoney balogne americans live long enough to see the inside of our worst possible prison. We should reopen alcatraz for them when the opportunity arises.

originally posted by: sy.gunson
Few People remember that the original proposal for a New World Order was made by Adolf Hitler and the Nazis.

Not true. The idea of the "New Order" goes back at least to Iulius Kaesar in Rome, when he turned the Republic into an Empire by popular support.

Interestingly enough the German word Kaiser descends from the Latin word Caesar, pronounced the same way (and modern day inaccurately pronounced 90% of the time as "See-ser") and the so-called nazi salute was not even nazi, it was Roman!

a reply to: WakeUpBeer


The time to act has come and gone. All that's left is the shell shock and crying by all the apathetic drones that wouldn't open their eyes or listen. Humans have an amazingly anti-survival mechanism to lie to themselves in pretending everything is A-OK. Everybody just wants to drive a nice car, wear designer clothes, live in a big house and take their kids to soccer practice, all despite the truth staring them in the face.

Frankly I'm to the point that the human race deserves what is coming and I'm done trying to wake people up, they'll all be awake soon enough. If they just put their heads down like lemmings and take it, then that's what they deserve. If they stand up, unite and take back their freedom, then I'll be absolutely shocked. Either way I've realized the true nature of myself and am unconcerned with the whims of the physical world.

originally posted by: tavi45
The far left and far right both dislike the TPP.

The center left and center right are for it.

Since there are so few far left politicians left in Congress, it's up to the far right tea party to stop it.

Obama is not a Marxist, he's a center right corporatist masquerading as a Democrat. He's been a puppet of the ruling elite from the start.

Ever wonder how a freshly minted senator that barely anyone knew suddenly became President of the United States? It's not because he's communist.

OMG you're so right. I can't stand it when people call him a socialist or communist. He's a corporate puppet, to say otherwise is to label yourself a fool. If he wasn't we would've never heard of him.