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dissociative identity disorder/multiple personality disorder

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posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 08:27 AM
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its not referred to multiple personality anymore.

what are your thoughts on this disorder??? what do you know about this disorder?
DID has always been the most controversial of all the personality disorders with a high rate of malingering.
that does not mean that everyone is malingering though..as far as that goes, you have to be damn good to pull something like that off. imo, a person could probably get away with passing themselves off as being depressed or having ptsd or something like that. to get into a clinical setting where they could pass themselves off with one of these personality disorders is something different all together..

im pretty sure the nimh does not recognize this anymore which is interesting because there have been documented cases of DID.
i think there is always something to suggest it is another type of personality disorder...

en.wikipedia.org...

a mental disorder on the dissociative spectrum characterized by at least two distinct and relatively enduring identities or dissociated personality states that alternately control a person's behavior, and is accompanied by memory impairment for important information not explained by ordinary forgetfulness. These symptoms are not accounted for by substance abuse, seizures, other medical conditions, nor by imaginative play in children.[2] Diagnosis is often difficult as there is considerable comorbidity with other mental disorders. Malingering should be considered if there is possible financial or forensic gain, as well as factitious disorder if help-seeking behavior is prominent
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DID became a popular diagnosis in the 1970s, 80s and 90s but it is unclear if the actual incidence of the disorder increased, if it was more recognized by clinicians, or if sociocultural factors caused an increase in iatrogenic presentations. The unusual number of diagnoses after 1980, clustered around a small number of clinicians and the suggestibility characteristic of those with DID, support the hypothesis that DID is therapist-induced

In 1993 a group of researchers reviewed both DID and borderline personality disorder (BPD), concluding that DID was an epiphenomenon of BPD, with no tests or clinical description capable of distinguishing between the two. Their conclusions about the empirical proof of DID were echoed by a second group, who still believed the diagnosis existed, but while the knowledge to date did not justify DID as a separate diagnosis, it also did not disprove its existence. Reviews of medical records and psychological tests indicated that the majority of DID patients could be diagnosed with BPD instead, though about a third could not be, suggesting DID does exist but may be over-diagnosed. Between 50–66% of patients also meet the criteria for BPD, and nearly 75% of patients with BPD also meet the criteria for DID with considerable overlap between the two conditions in terms of personality traits, cognitive and day-to-day functioning, and ratings by clinicians. Both groups also report higher than general population rates of physical and sexual abuse, and patients with BPD also score highly on measures of dissociation
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so what do you think?
there have been documented cases as far back as the 1600's but in the 70's, 80's, and 90's there were a larger cluster of the diagnosis than ever before. one of the theories is it was clinician induced...

its fascinating either way......the things the human brain is capable of.
i just cant imagine how hard it would be to fake this long enough to actually get a diagnosis..i would think the person would be found out through the testing and interviewing....malingering should be expected but that does not mean it happens 100% of the time.
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i have been fascinated by mental illness for a long time....years back i had to go to a psych(court ordered) and this dude put me through a battery of tests.....hundreds of questions on paper. hundreds of questions asked by him....
the report came like a week later and he said i had schizoid personality disorder.
i have ever went to another doc for a second opinion and i dont take meds for it.
so i dont know if he was right or not.....i try to read as much about mental illness as i can, especially schizoid personality disorder.

i definitely have at least some of the signs and symptoms of it(schizoid i mean)...i cant argue that......
anyway, what do you all think about DID/MPD
edit on 7-11-2014 by Grovit because: (no reason given)




posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 08:33 AM
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a reply to: GrovitThat whole thing about part of your mind splitting off and presenting as being external is a fact, thats what happens with scizophrenic voices. The only leap to MPD is the idea that various parts could become dominant at different times. I dont think its that far fetched.



posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 08:41 AM
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originally posted by: tridentblue
a reply to: GrovitThat whole thing about part of your mind splitting off and presenting as being external is a fact, thats what happens with scizophrenic voices. The only leap to MPD is the idea that various parts could become dominant at different times. I dont think its that far fetched.



i was under the impression that someone with schizophrenia would hear voices as external where as DID people would hear them as internal...i could be wrong on that.
going from hearing voices to having multiple personalities is a pretty big leap imo...

im not saying DID does not exist....i dont know anything about it other than what i read online and the few books i have.
i was also under the impression that DID can almost always be diagnosed as something else...
i would lean towards yes, it is a legit illness that only hits a very small percentage of people..
to malinger yourself into a DID diagnosis/treatment though.....thats would be quite a feat and not easy to do



posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 08:53 AM
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a reply to: Grovit


Both groups also report higher than general population rates of physical and sexual abuse, and patients with BPD also score highly on measures of dissociation.

What do you think about that?

Repressed memories of childhood abuse are difficult to diagnose because we can't remember them and or repress them. But the fall out is a lifetime of confusion and relapse or reaction to unavoidable trigger events.

When we are traumatized, we tend to "disassociate" from the event. That disassociation is a spin off that forms a new personality, one that is 'tucked away' until some trigger in the environment releases it.

Usually it is a little child with all the associative behavior. Sound familiar?



posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 08:57 AM
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a reply to: Grovit When I say 'external' I'm talking about the ego, I'm talking about what aspects of our experience we identify as being part of ourselves, not necessarily that they are percieved as coming from outside physically.



posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 09:00 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Grovit

What do you think about that?

When we are traumatized, we tend to "disassociate" from the event. That disassociation is a spin off that forms a new personality, one that is 'tucked away' until some trigger in the environment releases it.

Usually it is a little child with all the associative behavior. Sound familiar?




i dont think i understand the simple question...
i think that childhood trauma is the accepted concensus for the reason people to develop DID
of course it is not automatic. some kids go through trauma and do not 'split'....

as to your "sound familiar"?

no, not really...should it



posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 09:07 AM
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a reply to: Grovit

Every bit of it should be called I$M Disorder.

Capitalism, Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Alcoholism, Sexism, Terrorism


A majority of you wont truly understand what I am saying until 700 more earth years has passed.



posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 09:15 AM
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a reply to: Grovit


no, not really…should it

Are you asking me? You said you were 'diagnosed' and that you exhibit 'some symptoms'. Whether you delve down that rabbit hole of your psyche is up to you. Are you currently doing anything to cover up that awareness?

I did a lifetimes worth of covering.



posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 09:27 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Grovit


no, not really…should it

Are you asking me? You said you were 'diagnosed' and that you exhibit 'some symptoms'. Whether you delve down that rabbit hole of your psyche is up to you. Are you currently doing anything to cover up that awareness?

I did a lifetimes worth of covering.



i just went back and read over my post and it reads funny at the end...my fault.

i said i am interested in all mental illness because i was diagnosed with schizoid personality disorder

sorry for the misunderstanding...i just wanted to mention that as the reason i am fascinated with mental illness.

i have some(a lot really) symptoms of schizoid personality disorder....i dont take any meds for it and do not receive any treatment. i dont even know if this doc was correct...i never got a second opinion.
i know i was at his clinic for hours upon hours taking tests and asking questions.......



posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 09:41 AM
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a reply to: Grovit


i know i was at his clinic for hours upon hours taking tests and asking questions…....

They do that because they are looking for a result over time. Since that switch in personalities is repressed it takes longer to find it. Thats why the lengthy questions.

They are trying to "get to the bottom of it" but you are more aware of you than they, and may already have a clue about it. Depends on how sensitive you are to probing and what comes of "episodes". The internet is not the place for that.

gotta go for now…



posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 09:42 AM
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a reply to: Grovit

I am under the impression that mpd is a spectrum disorder, I have been diagnosed as being at the milder end of that spectrum.

I don't have distinct personalites but many times over the years friends have commented on the fact that I seem to be three or four different people dependant on mood, life stresses etc.

I wish I had asked more questions of those have commented on this, its interesting



posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 10:48 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr

They do that because they are looking for a result over time.


i was only there for one day/session but it lasted for a total of about 7 hours.
i had to go through several multiple choice tests about 500 questions each...then i had to talk to the doc for several hours...
some of the questions seemed so out of left field...i got progressively more agitated the longer i was there. i know that.

after the 7 hours he sent me on my way...took about 10 days for the report to come in...it was very long winded. about 30 pages but in the end, his 'professional opinion' i have schizoid personality....

ive done lots of reading about it since then and it does make sense...a lot of the symptoms, most really fit me to a T



posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 11:45 AM
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check out this lady.....her name is autumn asphodel...

she has a ton of vids and she claims to have DID.....

here is a vid called 'meet my alters'

i was under the impression that it did not happen this way and you could not switch back and forth like that.
i was also under the impression that alters had separate memories from the host....



what do you think?
real or malingering?

either way, this lady is off her rocker



posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 11:46 AM
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Well, it is commonly considered that mpd was over diagnosed in the '70's... but aalso, that no one really had studied the cases before then in depth.

My stepmother deals with really extreme cases of mental illness, working in prisons with the criminally insane, and I know she has one patient with multiple personalities, that is absolutely fascinating.

I cannot say much about it, out of respect for the person, but their story, their past is so dramatic, it would make an excellent movie.

So much so that my stepmother did extensive research to confirm it all, and after many years of treating this person, is absolutely sure of the diagnosis and sincerity of the patient.

Her diagnosis was confirmed by other mental health care professionals, and they consider it a rare disorder, but that really exists.



posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: Grovit

Well that depends more on your own perspective than a "battery of tests". The symptoms are kind of vague depending on who's diagnosis, but the definition is specific…

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You notice that part where it says clear dividing line between two separate personalities? Thats pretty definitive. That could mean the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing sort of thing. It might involve "missing time" episodes, if you have any of those?

Did they recommend you for any treatment for this and what did you do about that? Why did you go through the testing in the first place?

You can U2U me about it if you like. Thats a private message, click on the 'little green man' at the bottom of my avatar and on "send message" in the drop down menu. The clear envelope upper right on your screen turns white when you have pending U2Us.



posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: Grovit

I find the video not that convincing. She seems more close to being Borderline .

I say that because her basic body language doesn't change from one alter to the next. The person I refered to is so completely different in the way her body moves it can be seen from a distance. The posture, the muscles, are so different it is uncanny.

You can tell it is a different person before she speaks a single word. And some of the alters are of the opposite sex! They also do not share the same memory, so are not aware of each one has done or said.

But then perhaps this woman in the video is just further along in the path to integration.

But you are correct- schizoid personality disorder is not the same thing as mpd, so the tests you went through were not for that (that takes months or even years to diagnose). I can understand why you find mental illness in general interesting. The mind is a fascinating territory to explore!



posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 01:23 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

i was not diagnosed with DID.
i said that 3 times now



posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 01:32 PM
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originally posted by: Bluesma

I find the video not that convincing.
im with you...i didnt find it convincing at all.....from my perspective, she kind of just changed the way she acts, for lack of a better term

They also do not share the same memory, so are not aware of each one has done or said.
yeah, from what i have read that is how it works...at least for the most part

But then perhaps this woman in the video is just further along in the path to integration.
i am thinking not....if she was that far along and could switch at will, couldnt she just not switch at all?..i also found it strange that when she was an 'alter', she called her non alter self host...that indicates to me a level of awaredness that i didnt think happened with DID

But you are correct- schizoid personality disorder is not the same thing as mpd, so the tests you went through were not for that (that takes months or even years to diagnose). I can understand why you find mental illness in general interesting. The mind is a fascinating territory to explore!


i know theyre not the same thing....im not even convinced that he was correct. i suppose it possible but i dont know....i dont really have an need or desire to get it confirmed with a second opinion.
that session is what got me interested in mental illness though...since then i have been fascinated with it...
DID though....thats just so bizarre.
hard to believe something like that is even possible...

there are a couple hour long documentaries on youtube....in those a few people are chronicled and theyre much more how you say...different body language and mannerisms....different tone of voice....seems like everything about them is different.

in the video i linked, it seems like she put on more/less makeup and dressed different...thats all.

she has a lot of videos though. judging by the comments she seems to have a lot of people convinced



posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 01:36 PM
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I've been diagnosed with as being on the dissociative disorder spectrum with having dissociative amnesia, depersonalization and dissociative fugue. I was examined for possible DID but it was inconclusive as I was not routinely having bail outs of memory and ending up in places where I had no recollection of getting there (very different, btw, from what happens when you're driving down the road and forgetting the drive). It might be different for me in that I lack an internal narrative in general (visual thinker) but it is the more a sense of a disjointed "other". What I personally have experienced is more like a shifting to the back seat. I'm still present but I don't feel like I'm at the helm. This isn't the same as flying out of control emotionally and feeling like you've lost control. It's infinitely too robotic for that as it's a total shutdown instead. I'll feel nothing in that state. I have had other events where I completely shutdown all consciousness and will still be motoring about--that's called a fugue state and it's a total loss of identity combined with amnesia.

I've met a few personally that have claimed to have multiple distinct personalities and most of the time, they have some other ailment in conjunction with dissociative disorder. For instance, I knew a girl who said she had 16 different personalities. She was dissociative and bipolar. The explanation that I've seen about why there is a greater tendency to have a self-perception of multiple personalities is that the mix of the two disorders leads the individual to explain their symptoms as being "not them but some other" and as a distinct personality to boot.

I can understand it a bit as if one is very dissociative, it does tend to create a feeling of some "other"--rather like me no longer being at the helm. I agree, however, with the current DSM-IV view on the matter that it is not necessarily multiple personalities but a lack of unified personality. One who is dissociative is more likely to feel totally shattered in identity due to amnesia issues, depersonalization and fugue. Sometimes I feel like the little girl I once was is still trapped inside me. Is there a neurolinguistic narrative? Not for me. It's just a sense but I think that that sense is more of an echo from the past of what was buried than a distinct identity. For me, it'd be that terrified, super sad little girl who nobody could save. It's what I buried to survive so you bet, there's going to be a ghost in the head.



posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 01:55 PM
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originally posted by: WhiteAlice
most of the time, they have some other ailment in conjunction with dissociative disorder. For instance, I knew a girl who said she had 16 different personalities.


almost everything i have read points to this....
seems like just about all cases of people with DID could really have something else....

i think these days it is usually thought that the diagnosis of DID is actually brought on or coached in some way by the clinician..

thats what is being said about the famous sybil(not her real name....dont want to look it up) now.
theyre saying that she had other personality disorders and was coached and encouraged by her doctor...



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