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BBC Says Russia has invaded the Ukraine (10th time)

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posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:10 AM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Wow. That's an excellent copy of American technology.




posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:12 AM
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An interesting turn of events -

Russia respects, but does not recognize results of Novorossiya elections


Russia respects, but does not recognize results of Novorossiya elections. 53910.jpeg

The Russian authorities do not recognize the elections in the breakaway People's Republics of Luhansk and Donetsk. Presidential aide Yury Ushakov said that the Kremlin respected, but did not recognize the November 2 elections in the people's republics.

Previously, policy-makers of foreign countries have threatened to tighten sanctions against Russian politicians, officials and businessmen, as well as state-run companies, should the country recognize the elections in the People's Republics of Donetsk and Luhansk. According to foreign officials, the elections were held in those territories contrary to the Minsk agreements from September 5th.

"Russia's official position has been expressed in a short, albeit capacious statement from the Ministry for Foreign Affairs. It uses the word "respect," Interfax quoted Ushakov as saying.

When asked whether it was possible to equate "respect" and "recognition", he replied: "These are different words. The word "respect" was chosen deliberately. We fundamentally respect the will of the voters."

Noteworthy, presidential press secretary Dmitry Peskov stated that Vladimir Putin was not going to meet with elected heads of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics Alexander Zakharchenko and Igor Plotnitsky.



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:12 AM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Oh How Wonderful Voice of America. & Detroit News the News outlet of Obama, what best two news sources.



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:15 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

Do you even read the articles or just blast them whenever you see fancy titles such as these?



Ukraine rebels: More remains found at MH17 crash site


Kiev, Ukraine



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:17 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

Oh Wait. Your Forgetting if it wasnt for the Germans you wouldn't have the technology to go into Space but dont let the facts remind you.


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posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Your comical so you are willing to use pravda when it serves your propose and agenda which i find that comical. For months just like the western news outlets you had being claiming that Russia has invaded Ukraine and Crimea. Yet when i challenged you on Crimea you seem to not know much of its history.

While at the same time you are defending the Tartars of Crimea without even knowing the history. Its clear that your just Demonizing Russia based on the facts that the news outlets and the words of John McCain.













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posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:21 AM
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originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
Your Propaganda and Demonizing of Russia in here isn't working.


Your ignorance and personal attacks is whats not working.



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:22 AM
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a reply to: VirusGuard




Toe to Toe these Russians are trained out in the cold (No McDonalds) and are hard as steel whereas your average American personal rely on having ten inches of steel and better weapons else they would soon be running home crying for mummy.


I don't call Russian soldiers extra tough but that they can survive and function on much less resources. This also does not mean that a US/Western soldier would collapse on ground if they are thrown in similar circumstances. Items like field kitchen, field medicals etc. are not very popular in Russian army. As seen "several times" by Ukrainian army experience in Donbass, soldiers have been left to fend for themselves without food, water or medical care.

There is too much reliance and harshness on individual soldier's physical traits in the Russian army. In maximum 5 years, these will be negated by robots conducting the perimeter security, reconn and even fighting off the intruders etc.

I have little respect for Russian doctrine of maintaining their army men and machines both. Soldiers are treated like low-humans and even cannon fodder at times. This can be seen from the fact that Donbass rebels are mostly without any body armor even 7 months after the start of separatist movement. Not a very honorable way to treat your soldiers who are fighting selflessly for an important cause in favor of Kremlin.
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posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:27 AM
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originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
a reply to: DJW001

Oh Wait. Your Forgetting if it wasnt for the Germans you wouldn't have the technology to go into Space but dont let the facts remind you.



And you are forgetting that without Robert Goddard's research the Germans might not have developed the technology either. At least we acknowledged the German contribution, unlike the Soviets, who treated their German engineers like prisoners of war.



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:27 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
Your Propaganda and Demonizing of Russia in here isn't working.


Your ignorance and personal attacks is whats not working.


I have not attacked you personally. This is a site is a site for research if some dont share your views of Russia dont push it.



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:28 AM
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originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
a reply to: DJW001

Do you even read the articles or just blast them whenever you see fancy titles such as these?



Ukraine rebels: More remains found at MH17 crash site


Kiev, Ukraine


Do you even read the posts you are responding to? What is the relevance of your response to my post?



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:30 AM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

sorry to spoil your day but those two sources are way above the Kremlin backed propaganda machine . Any other ? If ain't , i am sorry it will be hard for me to digest what you wrote earlier .



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:32 AM
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who treated their German engineers like prisoners of war.

The German engineers & scientists should be treated like prisoners of war, as they were both involved with the mass massacres caused by the German Reich.

America & Britain didn't treat the engineers & scientists or its officers as prisoners of war, they were treated more as guests & they were even at one point rewarded for there research and were loyal for there hospitality.

I am sure you could explain why they shouldn't be treated as POWs, there are lot of people whom say that they should have being treated as pows.
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posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:41 AM
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But other German Pows were Treated a lot worse by the allies.
U.S. (and French) abuse of German PoWs, 1945-1948

HOW ALLIES TREATED GERMAN POWs
Hunger and excess deaths of German PoWs




Like most Americans who pay attention to WW II, I knew that German PoWs were treated reasonably well in the USA, 1942-1944. In part, this was to encourage other Germans to surrender (though few did voluntarily until the last weeks of the war), in part to encourage the German military to treat Western PoWs decently (as they did for the most part).





Under the Geneva Conventions, PoWs are to be sent home within months of the end of the war. The Allies instead decided to hold many PoWs (redesignated "disarmed enemy forces") as slave laborers, providing "labor reparations" to rebuild the damage inflicted by Nazi aggression. In the West, the demands of France were considered especially compelling -- the Germans had held millions of French PoWs as slave laborers, besides stripping France to the bone. After screening the PoWs, releasing the old men and boys of the "Volkssturm," and detaining Nazis for prosecution, the USA transferred 740,000 of the remainder (including some of those shipped back to Europe from the USA) to France . 1,000,000 German Pows remained in US camps in Germany at the beginning of 1946, but only 38,000 were still left at the beginning of 1947. The Western nations sent their last German PoWs home in 1948 (often under US pressure), while the Soviets kept theirs as late as 1956.


Some PoWs were kept in the awful "Rheinwiesenlager" because Allies who wanted them as laborers weren't ready to receive them.
Your Free To Debunk it if you want to try. But dont go around claiming that Russia Treated the German engineers as POWs as they should being treated that way.

Wasn't the war to end the German Reich and the crimes that they had caused? if so. There whole people whom were with the Reich should have being tread as POWs not guests.
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posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:53 AM
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a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter


Oh How Wonderful Voice of America. & Detroit News the News outlet of Obama, what best two news sources.


Who does Russia think controls the crash site?



Russian source.



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:55 AM
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Wasn't the war to end the German Reich and the crimes that they had caused? if so. There whole people whom were with the Reich should have being tread as POWs not guests.


Once the war is over, prisoners of war are just prisoners. The leaders were tried as war criminals, the rest incorporated into post-war society in the most effective way.Why do you have a problem with that?

Edit to add: Re-reading what you wrote, it sounds as if you believe that every single German should have been imprisoned and killed. Fight genocide with genocide? Also added emphasis.
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posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 12:50 PM
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posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 01:20 PM
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a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter




Oh How Wonderful Voice of America. & Detroit News the News outlet of Obama, what best two news sources.


Do you even know what the Detroit News is?

Of course to you every news outlet in America is a news outlet of Obama.

And yet you can't refute anything in those reports can you, because if you could you would.



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 01:29 PM
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sorry to spoil your day but those two sources are way above the Kremlin backed propaganda machine .


Sure they are, so you do know that VOA is a well known source for having pro Russian views so that doesn't actually fit your little description.



Any other ? If ain't , i am sorry it will be hard for me to digest what you wrote earlier .


SO you aren't able to refute the information in those two reports?

And I don't care if you digest it, prove it wrong if you can?



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 06:10 PM
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a reply to: VirusGuard



Well we would need to ignore the fact that the USA is trying to fight a war on ten fronts too and your comments about "good soldiers" is baseless as is the number 100,000 that was plucked from thin air.


It`s not baseless (I wrote a "couple") ...



Personnel is a major problem for the Russian military. Efforts to move from a conscription army to “contract-employed” soldiers (such as the U.S. volunteer force) have not been successful.

Under Russia’s 10-year reform program of 2009, its military forces (army, navy and air force) should have been at 1 million last year. But a Swedish Defence Research Agency study released in December had the figure below 800,000. The CRS put it at 700,000.

Still, it remains the region’s largest force. The Russian army is at about 285,000, including conscripts, but units are being manned at 40 to 60 percent, according to the Swedish study.

Contract soldiers, who must serve three years, have not been reenlisting at expected rates, and the dropouts run from 35 percent to 80 percent, the Swedish study said.


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