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Survey: 'What a Billion Muslims Really Think'

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posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: AgentShillington


To answer your question. No. I believe most muslims are great people.

But that's not what the thread is about.

My point is that Muslims have a radically different view of morals so why would I care what they think about American morals.
Until all Muslim woman are treated as equals to men, that will not change.




posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 12:55 PM
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a reply to: AgentShillington

you left out should pagans be blamed for what some pagans have done and atheists for what some atheists have done. lol



posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 12:59 PM
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originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
a reply to: AgentShillington


To answer your question. No. I believe most muslims are great people.

But that's not what the thread is about.

My point is that Muslims have a radically different view of morals so why would I care what they think about American morals.
Until all Muslim woman are treated as equals to men, that will not change.


That's a little naive, don't you think? Are all women in the STATES treated as equals to men? You are of the opinion that there is absolutely no sexism in American culture? I'm sorry, but I really don't see what your problem is here.

If the majority of Muslims are great people, then why isn't the opinion of these great people important enough to at least respect, if not heed?

Edited to add: If you would take a look at the OP again, you will see that even with what you call "radically different view of morals" there seems to be agreement about the problems in the West. I think that agreement itself is worth looking at, wouldn't you agree?
edit on 6-11-2014 by AgentShillington because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 01:00 PM
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i won't typically rail against morality....but i was discussing with a coworker my displeasure at employees picking up their paychecks in booty shorts. I was informed that short of making their own clothes, booty shorts are about all that are available for purchase.

A symptom of eroded morality. On one hand we don't make available non sexualized clothing, on the other we bemoan teen sex and pedo's.

We have mixed signals internally, and must appear to be completely schizophrenic as a society to the people looking through the glass.

I can agree with their assessment overall.



posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: AgentShillington


What kind of magic kingdom do you live in?
Of course there is sexism. ..and racism and all kinds of other isms. That's humans. Not right but true.

And I'm sorry but when our former secretary of state Hillary Clinton, the most powerful women in America at that time.and unfortunately maybe our next president. Can't walk down the street in Saudi Arabia without covering her face and having a male escort. I have a problem with that.
So no. I really don't care what they think about my morals.



posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 01:15 PM
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a reply to: InfamousSiren

So you think that anything outside of your country in another country has no impact on what occurs in the states?

Of course it does. I said that I abhor spending taxpayers money getting the opinion of some camel farmer before taking care of our Veterans and our own children and homeless, etc.


Or that others opinions of your country have no influence over you?

No one else's opinion of me has any influence on me. Other’s opinion of me is none of my business. Forgot who said that - but it works for me.


Do you really think that it doesn't matter?

Who? To me? No, other’s opinions of me do not matter - I choose to accept them or not. As for a Muslim’s opinion of me? Why on God’s green earth would I allow their load a hog wash influence me. All we Christian’s are to them is something to wipe off the face of the earth. We are infidels. Period.


Why do you think that ISIS is doing what they're doing?

To gain control and wipe out anything that does not conform to their belief/legal system.


What do you think they'll eventually do with their outside 'opinions' and 'beliefs' of your country TO your country?

What do I think? Muslims will continue to do all they can - with the help of the President who now sits in the White House to influence our children, insinuate themselves into our communities, to ‘change us from within’ - and then begin voluntary conversion to Islamic law until they’re strong enough to force their belief system and law, on us, involuntarily.

Added Note Here: Some might say that it’s only the ‘radicals’ I have to worry about. No truer statement has been uttered.

See - Radicals WILL DO SOMETHING - the pacifists? They will not. So - why should I care about non-radicals? And please remember you asked me for my opinion’. Something that seems to matter - to you.


And how do you think the economy works? All countries are connected some way or another, what happens in the states will impact other countries...

Of that I have no doubt, especially since I’ve seen it ‘at work’ first hand since Obama got into office.


Oh and if you don't care how other countries feel about you then how do you feel about the states invading the Middle East?

I believe if the USA does not stand up for Israel - the USA will be lost. Again - my opinion.


Countries that had nothing to do with the states,

Wait are not you the one who said all countries work off of all other countries? Countries that have nothing to do with the USA? Ohhh, and who might those be? (/sarcasm)


and who should be self managing themselves.

Yes, they should manage their own - as should we.


States push their opinions on everyone else, why can't others have opinions about them?

I didn’t say they couldn’t or shouldn't have their own opinion - I simply stated I don't care what that opinion is - nor as a tax payer do I want to spend my money finding out.

peace

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edit on 6-11-2014 by silo13 because: bold fix



posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 01:19 PM
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originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
a reply to: AgentShillington


What kind of magic kingdom do you live in?
Of course there is sexism. ..and racism and all kinds of other isms. That's humans. Not right but true.

And I'm sorry but when our former secretary of state Hillary Clinton, the most powerful women in America at that time.and unfortunately maybe our next president. Can't walk down the street in Saudi Arabia without covering her face and having a male escort. I have a problem with that.
So no. I really don't care what they think about my morals.



So you're willing to concede that The United States of America isn't completely a paradise for women, but DEMAND that ALL Muslims treat women equal to men before you will listen to anything they have to say about the West? And this because one country has laws that you don't agree with?

I'm sorry, but I can't take your opinion seriously anymore.



posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 01:20 PM
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So basically, what this survey shows is that Muslims think the same as non Muslims, like the same things about western society than non Muslims like and have the same concerns about the breakdown in morals etc in western society as nearly everyone else has. They are no different to anyone else


But then, didnt we know that already?

And as noted already in this thread, that a minority of Muslims do bad things is no different to a minority of Catholics doing bad things, or a minority of gun owners doing bad things. Do we judge you on the minority? Or do we embrace the fact that most of us all have virtually the same values and aspirations and concerns, regardless of religion (or gun ownership)?



posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 01:22 PM
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Muslims caring about family values... It's so hard not be cynical! At least once a week there is a (true) story in the news about a Muslim honor killing their own child, or killing a family member just because they decided they no longer wanted anything to do with Islam. And don't forget all the Muslims who pour acid on their women if they refuse to follow some clothing religious commandment.



posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

True , However "family values" differ greatly , woman's right? for example



posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

True , However "family values" differ greatly , woman's right? for example



posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 01:29 PM
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a reply to: jjkenobi

At least once a day there is a (true) story of a Christian committing a crime, killing or raping someone .....


Muslims are no different to Christians. Iranians are no different to Americans. Some are good and some are bad. Do we judge all Americans on the latest school killers?



posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 01:31 PM
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originally posted by: AgentShillington

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
a reply to: AgentShillington


What kind of magic kingdom do you live in?
Of course there is sexism. ..and racism and all kinds of other isms. That's humans. Not right but true.

And I'm sorry but when our former secretary of state Hillary Clinton, the most powerful women in America at that time.and unfortunately maybe our next president. Can't walk down the street in Saudi Arabia without covering her face and having a male escort. I have a problem with that.
So no. I really don't care what they think about my morals.



So you're willing to concede that The United States of America isn't completely a paradise for women, but DEMAND that ALL Muslims treat women equal to men before you will listen to anything they have to say about the West? And this because one country has laws that you don't agree with?

I'm sorry, but I can't take your opinion seriously anymore.



Stomp your feet and take your ball and go home..lol

You really like to find things between the lines that are not there.
I never demanded a thing. I only stated a few facts
Women are not equal in their laws.
I never said we should not listen to their views, only their views on our MORALS.
I'm also not going to listen to north Korea lecture us on human rights violations.
No, nothing is perfect because people are not perfect. But we at least try to make things equal. We have laws against discrimination don't we? They may not always work as good as they should bu we are trying.



posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
The breakdown of family values stared when people relaxed their morals and lost faith in jesus.
That's saying something considering I'm an atheist.


It is saying something.

it's saying that morals, to some people, need to be taught.. for normal people however, we can do without religion.

And it also says that these same people need to believe in an imaginary being that will punish them if they break his rules, in order to be nice.

Pretty sad state of affairs, kinda reiterates the fact that humans are simply animals, not all gifted with the luxury of intelligent thought.

praise bacon..



posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 01:40 PM
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originally posted by: AgentShillington

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: AgentShillington

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: MentorsRiddle
Muslims aren't the only ones disappointed by America's breakdown in family values.



Unless they live in the U.S then I don't care what the rest of the muslims think of us.

How many American parents are fitting their child with explosives?



What a vile comment. Seriously, it makes my skin crawl to read such hatred.


What was vile about it?


The idea that you believe that parents around the world think so little of their children that they would strap them up with explosives and send them out to die, or barring that, that it is somehow indicative of the Muslim mindset to do so.

My guess is that you aren't a parent.


Oh it's not how little they think of their children, at all.. not by a long shot.

It's how GREATLY they think of their religion.

Sadly.. despite your desire for the contrary to be the case, that is how it is.



posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 01:40 PM
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originally posted by: sn0rch

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
The breakdown of family values stared when people relaxed their morals and lost faith in jesus.
That's saying something considering I'm an atheist.


It is saying something.

it's saying that morals, to some people, need to be taught.. for normal people however, we can do without religion.

And it also says that these same people need to believe in an imaginary being that will punish them if they break his rules, in order to be nice.

Pretty sad state of affairs, kinda reiterates the fact that humans are simply animals, not all gifted with the luxury of intelligent thought.

praise bacon..


I like me some bacon!

I don't think most of them worry about the punishment. They do it for the reward of an afterlife.
But obviously from this thread, not everybody agrees with me..



posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 01:45 PM
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a reply to: AndyMayhew



Muslims are no different to Christians.

Is there a 'face palm' icon? Granted I've not been around ATS for 8 months or so - but really.

Anyway - If you wanted to say, or meant to say 'people are people where ever you go' or some other type of platitude - I can see the point. We all laugh, we all cry, we all bleed, blah blah blah...

For you to say there are 'no differences between Christians and Muslims?' That can only be your opinion - as it's so far from the truth - your opinion is all it can be.

I'm not going to spoon feed you - but if you think there are no differences? You are wrong - dead wrong.

peace



posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 01:47 PM
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originally posted by: AgentShillington

originally posted by: thesaneone

I see the truth scares you and no I have no children.
Personal choice is awesome.


Your opinion scares me, that's indeed true.

While I won't wish you become a parent, because as you say, personal choice is awesome, I would suggest that you have absolutely no idea how to comprehend the love of a parent to their child. To suggest that it is somehow outside of the realm of the abhorrent to the average person, Muslim or not, to send their child to die, is to fundamentally undervalue the experience of being a parent.


You are so smothered in cotton wool, arent you.

Wow.

You need to see the real world, literally. in all of it's abhorrent glory.

Just.. mind blowing how innocent some people are.. "No parent would see their child be strapped to a bomb." - yeap. never has happened in this history of religion. Martyrs are made up stuffs.

And if we're talking about the breakdown of family values, child marriages, female genital mutilation, honor killings, gender discrimination (in terms of beating your missus if she shows her nose to a stranger).. are pretty frowned upon where I live.

I like it that way. And I certainly dont want hoards of men with automatic weapons riding into my suburb to round up all the girls and whisk them off to be force raped by 'husbands' and converted to the more better and holy religion.

and also, religion is stupid. so. *raspberry at religion*

All of this crap.. over made up bollocks. it's unreal...



posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 02:13 PM
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Is this a joke survey ?




posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: sn0rch
You are so smothered in cotton wool, arent you.

Wow.

You need to see the real world, literally. in all of it's abhorrent glory.

Just.. mind blowing how innocent some people are.. "No parent would see their child be strapped to a bomb." - yeap. never has happened in this history of religion. Martyrs are made up stuffs.


Firstly, please don't misquote me. I never said what you are claiming that I said, and it takes away from your point to claim that I did. Furthermore, if child martyrdom were a tenant of Islam, we would be seeing it on a much larger scale than we do (which is almost none), because there are over a billion Muslims in the world. The amount of child martyrs in the Muslim world isn't even statistically relevant when factored alongside instances of infanticide her in the United States.


And if we're talking about the breakdown of family values, child marriages, female genital mutilation, honor killings, gender discrimination (in terms of beating your missus if she shows her nose to a stranger).. are pretty frowned upon where I live.


As it is in much of the Muslim world. As I said, A -billion- people are Muslims, if a -billion- people were doing the things ascribed to your world view, we would be having a much different conversation than we are. The truth of the matter is, that a very few people are doing very horrible things.

Like the Catholic Church and the sex scandal they are dealing with. Very isolated occurrences are painting a very nasty picture of the entire organization. Not very christian, what those men did, but it also doesn't mean that the whole of them are guilty of something.







 
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