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The Empty Verses: As Above, So below.

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posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 09:43 AM
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originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
Another thread by you denigrating spirituality, what a surprise.

Yet another tedious proclamation by you about something which you have no experience of.

Not only do you not have the experience to evaluate the subject with intellectual honesty, you also lack the will and discipline to even investigate it for yourself.

You are not qualified enough to speak about this subject with any credibility.


Dear TheLaughingGod:

I suggest to you two things which may or may not apply to whom you actually are: 1) This is not a time for laughing, and 2) Nor is it a time for judging, at least:

The Op, since we don't really know this person nor what their motive may be in terms, of writing this. That highlights what these times may really be about.


One thing that is definitely true: These words, As above, So below, is a phrase which has been adopted by those seeking a place and a time where they do things totally against any spirituality, whatsoever, though they may claim it is spiritual to pursue black witchcraft or the love of Satan. What drives that is not a love of spirituality, but a love of sadism, which is a love inspired by love of self….and consideration of absolutely nothing else but the love of sensation over anything other than that. This is what fuels love of self, when taking care of oneself is entirely another thing altogether, and the suggestion it is necessary doesn't qualify one to be a "satanist," but can and has been used by people to suggest narcissism, when it may or may not be present in someone who desires a better quality of life.

The minute it is suggested that reality is inspired only by what one's consciousness is, and the moment the ability to even make time dilation appear to be real (whether it is or isn't, as the appearance will have anyone believe it, if they will) these two things combined can become horrific, is someone can also control the thoughts and dreams of another, because, then, all they need to justify making the world a true horror is to pipe their desired reality into someone else's mind…..
Regards, and I mean no disrespect to you, whatsoever,

tetra
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posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 09:59 AM
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a reply to: tetra50

It's always time for laugh, mostly when that's all you have left.
It's indeed never appropriate to judge. Don't judge if you don't want to be judged said the other ...

Now, I gave stars & flag to Les Mis because he brought the right topic at the right time, not necessarily because of the content of the OP. Even if I don't have the same perspective as he does on this scripture, at least, there is room for a constructive debate.
Since a few posts, it's not very constructive anymore unfortunately.
I wish no one takes the content of the video hereunder personally but, this gives an interesting perspective on everyone should feel qualified or empowered to judge and criticize.



As Above, so below.
Everything is in everything.

Les Mis, didn't you had the opportunity to develop a better understanding of this scripture reading the replies of some posters ? How about trying to see how allegories can be applied to it ?



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 10:00 AM
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a reply to: OpinionatedB

Hello OpinionatedB:


YOU also use yourself to argue your own existence. "I think therefore I am" Using thing to prove thing is a philosophically valid proof in and of itself.



Except neither I, nor you, I assume, are a thing.
We are either a he or a she, or even both….but we are not yet, things.



which is the exciting fact of life, everyone gets to have their own opinion and no one can take yours away.



Yes, your opinion can absolutely be taken away. The minute we refer to people as things, is the exact time that your opinion can be taken away. If someone's identity can be stolen by making them seen to be only an "it," and not a he, she or a person, is the moment technology says it is or makes it such a moment that it's permissible to fake an identity to do just that, in a variety of ways.

Regards,
tetra



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 10:08 AM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Egyptia


I don't know where to begin in responding here because you have surpassed much of what is comprehensible in this form of communication. A multitude of things are stirring inside me but to try and place them in word in response is seemingly ridiculous in light of all that you have implied and not implied, said and not said, inferred and not inferred.

You are saying everything and nothing. Committing to everything intellectually yet to the contradiction of it all I see a rendering in futility. You give away the non-understanding in Spirit and only fight the struggle in flesh body, mind and topical condition perceived. It is the precipice of deception in realizing a true perception while cast inside the 'cage' we are in. It appears that you have forsaken something far more meaningful.

How interesting and profound! A resignation in understanding.

The nature of this conflict is to surpass contradictions (this world which is the mirror of the true condition of our imprisonment) and the very nature of what we perceive as 'reality' for a higher cause that is indescribable but the most profound experience by virtue of the very contradictions experienced. Intellectualizing life will not bring you any closer to the truth............it will serve to perpetuate the actual condition you are striving to get away from. Spirit is a different 'being' from the intellectual brain, you cannot intellectualize the Spirit for the mind in intellect is where the creation of 'Ego' spawned.........derailing us from all things 'true' and 'truly profound'.

You mis-percieve that in the end that is our real 'test', even if it is by and through our own will which ultimately is Divine. You have undone your own argument and proven the fact in this duplicitous battle waged between the material soul and the true Reality in our Spirit which ultimately is why we are here.

Time is a huge part of this deception used to harness and cage us...........if you actually realized what has been done with linear time to manipulate us you would be utterly dumbfounded, thus even the perception of 'reality' is a plaything for them.


I search for insight within your words but fail to find it. Nothing but obfuscation, capitalizing a few words here and there in a futile attempt to retain their divinity. But don’t worry, there are those who those who are addicted to avoiding clarity, and you provide a good fix.



Hello LesMisanthrope: She does, however, you must admit, describe very well and honestly, a cognitive dissonance present in most of us living, now, and writing, here.
regards,
tetra50
ETA: And this isn't to argue at all with your OP, but the reason may be that people say that, and there is even an expression, As Above, So Below, is there is an effort underway, if you've not noticed, to make God seem to be just like Satan, and the reason Satan is the way he/she is…..
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posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 10:12 AM
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originally posted by: ParasuvO

originally posted by: tetra50

originally posted by: neodruid66
I have only a small clue what I am talking about. And they reminded me of foo fighters.

Most of us have and get by on just a small clue….and have to be content with that when we really aren't but haven't much choice in the matter.
Anyone says they've got beyond that small glimmer is courting disaster, imho, of course.


And what disaster would that be, are you going to be punished , lost for all eternity in a puzzle?

IMO, either go beyond it, or you can stay HERE, never actually knowing anything, FOREVER, in a slowly, almost imperceptibly ever worsening spiral of death.

Interesting how one can be so clear on one issue, and then discourage attempts to REALLY find out and break this ridiculous existence wide open.... it is clear to me, that a system has entrapped you, not picking on you, it just seems like a total waste of time to believe that anything here has any good reason....staying on the "course" has proved to be an epic fail 100% of the time.


And you aren't HERE with me, as well, cause if you've discovered another world while staying here to write, too, I'd sure like to at least visit with you.
tetra
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edit on 8-11-2014 by tetra50 because: to add another few words, so I'll be within t&cs, so I'll be a good ATSer, and then I even came back to say so.



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 10:30 AM
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oh oh OH! /raising arm high .. pick me teacher, pick me.


the ancients laid out the map of the sky, on the earth, projecting it onto the globe (and vice-a-versa). starting from the pillars of hercules, which represented the constellation gemini - the starting point for the measurement of the sky grid on the earth's surface - in effect, the prime meridian of the timeframe (set against the backdrop of precession of the equinoxes). it functioned sorta like an ancient greenwich meridian. every 30 degrees was another constellation representing that part of the earth. the ecliptic wrapped around the globe like a star studded equator. taurus was over egypt, aries was over western mesopotamia and pisces over eastern mesopotamia and india, aquarius over japan/china and so on, around the earth.

then when talking about national conflicts or discussing future events, it be couched in metaphors based on the constellations, which acted like an overlay of the globe. in this way, no matter what the country might be called at some future date and no matter what the national boundaries might be, the general area of the sky/constellation could be given and anyone who knew the as above so below mapping system, would know precisely what country/region was meant.


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posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 10:33 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

My understanding is that this phrase had been part of the oral
mystery traditions for a long time.

These traditions were rooted in astrology and fixated on the
'unmoving lights' such as the north stars and all this came
about because of a confusion about the valid astronomical
phenomenon called "the precession of the equinoxes".

As a result, there has been sloppy thinking for untold thousands
of years, due to this simple over-assumption about the nature
of reality, based upon ignorance about astronomy.

Now, the phrase is spiritually bankrunpt for numerous reasons
anyway.. but it was originally created due to a simple error
in logic.

So I can't get too excited about the phrase.

Kev



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 10:49 AM
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a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke
Hello theultimatebelgianjoke:
so, you gave the reference to stupid today to me…..
well, thank you, indeed, as you've noted one of my better qualities, it seems.
tetra



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 10:51 AM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear
But then I've noted on the boards that you are fairly hard to excite, Kelly. However, you are a pretty bear…..
Just attempting to make people laugh this Saturday morning…
I also like getting stars, as most of us do, though some pretend they don't. We all contend with our egos, daily.

tetra
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posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 10:53 AM
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originally posted by: tetra50
I also like getting stars..

Take THAT you foul beast!


originally posted by: tetra50
We all contend with our egos...

Take THAT my fowl beast!
edit on 2014:11:8 by ErgoTheAbsurd because: You say ego, I say eggo, let's call the whole egg breakfast off.



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:15 AM
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a reply to: tetra50

Sorry to hurt you but you're far from being the most stupid of the lot.





posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:21 AM
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a reply to: ErgoTheAbsurd
Okay, so this morning I am greeted by recognizing I am a beast, either foul and/or fowl, a beast, either way. Thanks, ErogoTheAbsurd. I will consider, all day long, how you are named.
regards this morning,
tetra



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:23 AM
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originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: tetra50

Sorry to hurt you but you're far from being the most stupid of the lot.




hmmmmm. Nor have I ever, ever been Forest. LOL
Have a great day, or evening, perhaps for you. Oh, but Ergo, there, thinks I'm a beast, either way. Now I'm wondering if I'd rather be just stupid. LOL….nevertheless, at least I'm laughing a little this morning. For a severly depressed person, this may be good, even, considering my choices and that everything can depend on punctuation.
tetra
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eta: and since I posted I like stars, I've gotten five! LOL
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posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:43 AM
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Crucifixus est Dei Filius, non pudet, quia pudendum est;
et mortuus est Dei Filius, prorsus credibile est, quia ineptum est;
et sepultus resurrexit, certum est, quia impossibile.

The Son of God was crucified: there is no shame, because it is shameful.
And the Son of God died: it is wholly credible, because it is absurd.
And, buried, He resurrected: it is certain, because impossible."

— (De Carne Christi V, 4) Tertullian


Credo ut intelligam - I believe to understand



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:49 AM
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originally posted by: tetra50
a reply to: ErgoTheAbsurd
Okay, so this morning I am greeted by recognizing I am a beast, either foul and/or fowl, a beast, either way. Thanks, ErogoTheAbsurd. I will consider, all day long, how you are named.
regards this morning,
tetra

Oh you beast,
You're the best,
I do attest.

The thoughts you offer,
Are smooth as an otter,
I only hope to impress.

You with a dress,
Or perhaps a bench press,
Would thrill me I confess.

Absurdity is my rhyme,
Word curdling is my crime,
Oh god what am I doing with my time.

You should not despair,
I only fill the air,
With the farts of my mind.

We're here to enjoy,
The thoughts we employ,
With limited tools we deploy.

I think you're great,
But I will not mate,
With your fishy ploy.
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posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:55 AM
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a reply to: ErgoTheAbsurd

Oh, Ergo, you are funny. But I have no ploy, fishy or otherwise. And that you think I do, is concerning to me, and makes me extremely sad, very, very sad.
tetra
P.S. I am not here looking to be mated with, either.



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 11:57 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I don't have much to add to this coversation, apart from the fact that the first time I heard anything similar to this saying, was when I was attempting to learn how to speak to the otherside a good few years back. The exact words I heard were "as it is below it is above". Imgaine my surprise when more recently I googled these words to discover that this saying has been well known and repeated for many a year.

Given the context of the conversation I was attempting to have at the time, I understood it to mean that up there is very much like down here, which actually fits my beliefs perfectly, I suspect that the last laugh is had when we die and wake up in a new life very similar to the set up on earth.



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 12:07 PM
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originally posted by: tetra50
Oh, Ergo, you are funny. But I have no ploy, fishy or otherwise. And that you think I do, is concerning to me, and makes me extremely sad, very, very sad.
tetra
P.S. I am not here looking to be mated with, either.

I've starred you up the wazzo,
Not because of your kazoo,
But due to the things you say true.

If I am funny,
It's because we're all sunny,
With mental poop that is runny.

I do not intimate,
A fellow inmate,
Would ever want to mate.

My nod to your charm,
As a subtle fish farm,
Is not meant to imply any harm.

Here is my way,
I walk through the day,
Wondering what you will say.

I hug you entirely,
With my entirety,
Because above/below I'm indescribable.

This rhyme has been broken,
By these words that have been spoken,
But the bonds are capable.
edit on 2014:11:8 by ErgoTheAbsurd because: Swing flow...



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 12:10 PM
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a reply to: tetra50

I was telling my fiance about ATS, and summed it up as
grumpy old men doing battle about things nobody cares
about + some interesting stuff.

;-)

Now I'm old..and a man, but I assure you, I'm not grumpy.
I'm very happy.

Kev



posted on Nov, 8 2014 @ 12:17 PM
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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
I was telling my fiance about ATS, and summed it up as grumpy old men doing battle about things nobody cares about + some interesting stuff.

Now I'm old..and a man, but I assure you, I'm not grumpy.
I'm very happy.

You humble old man,
You know that your van,
Will be interesting to man.

Who decide to look,
In your book and your nook,
Of abuse of all who stand.

You see the hungry,
Who feed off of me,
And speak with empathy.



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