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Interesting data on 2014 midterm voter turnout

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posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 02:37 PM
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originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: macman

My father worked hard to get from the slums to here. The American dream wasn't dead when he was a kid.


It still isn't dead....I see fairly young startup businesses in the news daily that are making millions and then selling their companies for even more. I see sales people daily pounding the phones making deals happen. I see wait staff daily, being kind and pleasant and working hard to make management. See....people need to quit looking for handouts and put in the work, but not only put in the work when it's easy....put it in when it's hard.

You say your dad worked hard to get where he is? Then my guess is he stuck it out and DID it, not complain that someone else got something and HE is the one that deserved it. It is competition.

And you say your dad worked hard to be in that neighborhood and this is your neighborhood as well and you are close to me in age? So you are in your 30's and still live with your folks?




posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 02:42 PM
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originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: macman

My father worked hard to get from the slums to here. The American dream wasn't dead when he was a kid.


So wait.

Your town was always racist, but you were allowed to move there at one point because the American dream was alive then which must mean it wasn't always racist ..



posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 02:46 PM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe

"And seriously? Predatory credit card in high school? I feel so bad for you, but they don't just give them to you. You have to sign up for it and accept the terms. This is the EXACT same mentality that I am talking about......never your fault, please someone bail me out."

So at that age I'm too dumb to vote, drink, gamble, or rent a car but I'm smart enough to read fine print on financial documents?

They offered it every time I went to the bank to deposit money from my high school job. I finally gave in because I wanted to build credit. They had offered it at least twenty times. Sorry that I didn't have incredible willpower, wisdom, and experience in high school.

"you likely had to have their consent to get the card as well which made them responsible since you couldn't pay it."

It required no consent from my parents. Welcome to the new world. You need patents consent to go on a field trip but not to get a credit card. I've actually never missed a payment once or even been late. My credit is good but not great. I did fine with the card for years until I got laid off. Then I went deep into debt. I'm finally almost out thanks to my hard work and frugal living.

But thanks again. Just get angrier and attack me more. I've been working since the age of 14. My parents never bailed me out. They actually kicked me out when I missed rent on two separate occasions. I made my way just fine each time.

I just love how you pull out the traditional Republican propaganda of the lazy young person who wants handouts. I just want a fair shot for today's children. I barely made it out of young adult hood intact. It's way easy harder for kids nowadays than it was for me and it wasn't a walk in the park for my generation.

My apologies for caring about our future and our children over myself or a bunch of old folks who think their hard work entitles them to a happy, healthy retirement at the expense of the same opportunity for their kids and grandkids.



posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 02:47 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Is that what it means?



posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: tavi45

www.opensecrets.org... link on whos rasing what and where party wise

cant get graph to format right but its pretty interesting read seems dems are out raising republicans in most areas(not all)



posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 02:51 PM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe

I can't afford to live on my own in this area. This is where my family friends and work is. After the last shared living situation I was in got incredibly creepy I negotiated a deal with my parents. I pay rent and help my aging parents out around the house. I'm currently hoping for a manager position when my boss opens his next store. I'm also building up my own business.

Please keep attacking me. It's hilarious



posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 02:57 PM
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a reply to: tavi45

Ah....ok, so it was tied to your bank, which DOES require an adult to set up an account for a minor which is why your parents were on the hook for it....it affected THEIR credit too.

And yes, YOU are responsible for your own decisions, nobody else. But I guess you think all banks and people who have money are Republican and just want to put you into debt and brainwashed you to do so.

Geez....how horrible...they offered you a credit card 20 times to the point that you just HAD to sign up for it....again, the "Not my fault" mentality is old and used up. You said previously that your family and your hard work got you out of it, so they were just moral support for your debt?

What is wrong with people who think their hard work entitles them to live the way they want to live? They EARNED it! I don't get ticked because I see a dude driving a Ferrari down the road and I can't afford one...sure I would love one, but I can't afford it. I surely won't go cry about it saying that it isn't fair.

I have been working since I was 15, actually younger if you count my working at my dad's company for cash as a kid, but at 15 I had to have a job at Chic-Fil-A and worked when my friends went out. I paid for my first car, a 1980 Toyota Landcruiser, in cash, I paid my own insurance. My parents were and still are wealthy but they instilled a work ethic in my brother and me.

Everyone these days just wants a handout because life isn't fair.......maybe teach kids fiscal responsibility and to be smart from the get go and they won't act like brats wanting everything handed to them.....they might just work hard for it.



posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 03:03 PM
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originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: Vasa Croe

I can't afford to live on my own in this area. This is where my family friends and work is. After the last shared living situation I was in got incredibly creepy I negotiated a deal with my parents. I pay rent and help my aging parents out around the house. I'm currently hoping for a manager position when my boss opens his next store. I'm also building up my own business.

Please keep attacking me. It's hilarious


Not attacking, just really relishing the fact that you fit almost the exact mold of the young democrat who thinks the government should do everything, yet you are pissed off at people like your dad (Republican) for being able to provide for you. Don't bite the hand that feeds......

Maybe get over that feeling of disappointment you have for yourself and most likely your parents have expressed (no attack here...mine did the same) and dedicate your time to your business and make it a success. I can only speak from experience....don't get me wrong....I went through plenty of hardships in my life, lived on the street in Miami for a bit and had trouble making ends meet for a while. Then I worked hard, and to my surprise, what my Republican dad told me when I was young actually worked.

Tough love is what kids these days need, not another freebie.



posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 03:06 PM
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originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: ketsuko

Is that what it means?


I don't know. You tell me.

You accuse the place of being racist as though you are an outsider there, as though you shouldn't even be allowed to live there, but yet, your family does. So, the only conclusion I can draw is that either the place has only recently become racist but that it wasn't way back when which flies in the face of your assertions that it always was racist. After all, if it's racist and your family is outsider, you wouldn't be allowed to live there.

Or maybe, the racism is inside your head for the most part?

However, no one in this country can force you into debt. That's a decision you make for yourself. What did you think that credit card was? Free money?

My husband made the same mistake taking out a credit card that took him forever to pay down, but you don't hear him whining about how he was "tricked" into and how it was predatory. He acknowledged he was stupid and owned up to the debt. After all, no one spent the money but him.



posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 03:10 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Or maybe I'm white and you just all assumed I was black. Republicans totally aren't racist. Just way too funny



posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 03:10 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Was your husband a child when he got that credit card?



posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 03:13 PM
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originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: ketsuko

Or maybe I'm white and you just all assumed I was black. Republicans totally aren't racist. Just way too funny


No, I assumed you were either someone of minority heritage or someone who had white guilt.



posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 03:16 PM
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originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: ketsuko

Was your husband a child when he got that credit card?


He got it right before going to college. But it doesn't matter.

The idea is the same. You signed up for something that put you in debt by spending money you didn't have. I repeat - Did you think it was free money?



posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe

I'm not pissed at my dad. Stop making wild assumptions. I give credit where credit is due unlike Republicans. Did you go to school? Did you ever use a highway? How about that job your dad have you? You got that through hard work not being his son?

I don't think the government should do everything. I think they should protect us from predatory business and banking practices instead of protecting the predators. We aren't supposed to be animals locked into predator/prey dynamics.

I've gotten tough love my whole life. I've come out the other end of the tunnel as a hardworking, generous, intelligent person. I apologize for fighting for the kids rather than fighting for the rich.

Please keep attacking me. I'm enjoying this thoroughly. I have to go to work now. I might be able to jump in during lulls but most likely not. I'll be happy to jump in later tonight. You guys are really making me feel great.

You are attacking me with the same Republican bs as usual based on the information I'm giving about myself. You are utterly ignoring the things that don't fit this narrative. Keep showing yourself as who you really are
. I'm not hiding anything. I'm a proud hardworking American who believe in the American dream.



posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

You did not. You said "Your town was always racist, but you were allowed to move there at one point because the American dream was alive then which must mean it wasn't always racist .."

Come on. Own your racism. You implied i was a minority. Keep it up



posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 03:27 PM
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that tells me the ones you say should care, didn't.
didn't even come out to vote.

question is why, did they think things were fine and no need to vote or just didn't care.
seems to me if they really cared who and how the country is run that they would have come out.

another thing, there were reports before hand that these same Millennials were losing faith in the party and that many were going to the other side or were not going to vote. not a big surprise that the reports turned out to be true.
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posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 03:45 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

No. That's why I've never missed a payment. It was predatory. The interest rate jumped wildly after the first year. I didn't realize until the interest in payments became an issue after I had to put more on the card when i was laid off.

I don't think the government should pay my debt. I never said that once. Nobody paid off my debt except me. I just think credit cards, student loans and other forms of debt should be more transparent and shouldn't be marketed in a predatory way to children.



posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 03:54 PM
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a reply to: tavi45

Yes, I worked to get my job by showing my dad when I was young that I was responsible....i asked him for it so I could make money to save for a car. I was unable to work anywhere else in GA because you had to be 15 to work for a company on paper in Atlanta....only two places hired at 15 here, chic-fil-a and Goldbergs Deli....i worked for both and had to interview to get the job. I also had to keep my grades in school high enough to continue working.

Should government shut down all late night TV ads because people just want to buy Chuck Norris new workout gear? It's called will power and responsibility. I don't know anyone that is locked into the predatory banking system and whatnot that you speak of. Cray to think of iT this way, but it's called a choice....and everyone has it.

Guess what....i don't have a single credit card. There are plenty of other ways to have good credit, but if you live within your means and save for the things you want, there really is no need for credit....that is the myth that democrats seem to like to push....buy now pay later, or don't pay at all and we can bail you out.

I don't have a need for credit.....i save and pay for what I get immediately.

And if you're fighting for the kids then I hope you have a great fiscal plan for them to understand that at the rate they are going with not sticking to jobs and "buy now pay later" mentality, they are going to end up broke and on the side of the road because there certainly will be no government money since no taxpayers will be around to pay the taxes that bail these incompetent individuals out.



posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 03:54 PM
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originally posted by: tavi45
Socialism doesn't work? Who told you that?


The "Nasty Little Secret" of Socialism is that all forms of government (which includes Socialism unless you are both in Denial as well as Delusional) mean that someone is going to have the power, at the very least, to be a total @sshole and be able to chuckle in the face of those "below them" & they can't do a d@mned thing about.

My apologies to those who have to scroll through the obvious, but obvious is very much in the eye of the beholder, lately, and a 'refresher' never hurts. When I have the opportunity, I never pass up the Reader's Digest word challenge. Once you've lost the ability to express yourself the battle is half lost...

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Government:

Noun

1. The political direction and control exercised over the actions of the members, citizens, or inhabitants of communities, societies, and states; direction of the affairs of a state, community, etc.; political administration:
Government is necessary to the existence of civilized society.

2. The form or system of rule by which a state, community, etc., is governed:
monarchical government; episcopal government.

3. The governing body of persons in a state, community, etc.; administration.

4. A branch or service of the supreme authority of a state or nation, taken as representing the whole:
a dam built by the government.


5. The particular group of persons forming the cabinet at any given time:
The prime minister has formed a new government.
the parliament along with the cabinet:
The government has fallen.

6. Direction; control; management; rule:
the government of one's conduct.

7. A district governed; province.

8. Political science.

9. Grammar. the established usage that requires that one word in a sentence should cause another to be of a particular form: "the government of the verb by its subject."
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Look through the above with some thought, please... Then consider the fact that Socialism ( Like every form of society has the burden of an inherent hierarchy through which all are equal yet Class and Privilege still exit ).

It doesn't get any more obvious than this. The only thing the subject on the right is missing is a uniform, badge and weapons. ( I'd ad phone & pen, but the climate is so ridiculously charged with negativity that I won't attempt the joke... )

Human Nature is a guarantee that Socialism can never work (I admit, though, that the same be shown true of Capitalism).



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edit on 11 5 2014 by CornShucker because: formatting



posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 04:02 PM
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originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: ketsuko

No. That's why I've never missed a payment. It was predatory. The interest rate jumped wildly after the first year. I didn't realize until the interest in payments became an issue after I had to put more on the card when i was laid off.

I don't think the government should pay my debt. I never said that once. Nobody paid off my debt except me. I just think credit cards, student loans and other forms of debt should be more transparent and shouldn't be marketed in a predatory way to children.


And you could have cut that card up at any point in time and never used it again. Yet you didnt. Sucks you didn't read the fine print, but again, I will point to education on things being much more important than hind sight. I knew when I was 16 that I should not have a credit card, mainly from my dad teaching me. See...it's all about the wanting something now that kids just don't get...they don't want to work for it and aren't educated on economic responsibility enough at a young age to understand.

Credit card companies and banks aren't all owned by republicans you realize?

People do what it takes to get by when bad times happen...i get that. It was still a choice you made....hating the institution for allowing you that choice is silly. Claiming it is because of Republicans is even sillier.

People make bad decisions all the time...most have to live with them and move on.



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