Interesting data on 2014 midterm voter turnout

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: tavi45

So old white people in record numbers and young/nonwhite people way down. Republicans win. Am I surprised? Not at all. The ones who have it good are gonna make it even better for themselves,

Wait, so the less fortunate and non whites have it worse so the answer is to NOT vote?

If thats the case then it sounds like to me more of an issue of screwed up logic and laziness then your "White privilege" assertion........

Whites should have "white guilt" and therefore self-disenfranchize and stay home on election day so those poor poor brown people can get a fair shake.

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: ScientiaFortisDefendit



"Projection on steroids, right here. I have news for you - socialism doesn't work. Deal with it."



Hehe so more personal attacks. Bring some data to the table or at least some real arguing.



Socialism doesn't work? Who told you that?

He's right, but should have been more specific. Socialism doesn't, nor will it ever, work for those here in the USA. And I'm a registered Dem. Here's a primer.

"Why Socialism and Wealth Redistribution Don’t Work and Cause MORE Poverty, Inequality, and Injustice"
socialismdoesntwork.com...

originally posted by: tavi45

So old white people in record numbers and young/nonwhite people way down. Republicans win. Am I surprised? Not at all. The ones who have it good are gonna make it even better for themselves, just like they've always done. Maybe I should open a country club so I can grovel for crumbs. I gotta take what crumbs I can since I'll never be able to enjoy the prosperity of my parents and grandparents.

I really find this portion of your post a bit ironic for what you are wanting.....you want the people who don't care enough to make it out to vote and who are the largest burden on our system (and will continue to be), to be the people in charge? You want the lazy ones to call the shots? You think this is the children of the future? Sounds like a great plan.

I personally hate paying for others to live when they can't do for themselves....sorry, I went to school and have worked hard for what I have. Equality is great and all, but I can't call someone an equal if they don't have the same drive to succeed as I do, and I would say the same about those that have been even more successful...they tend to stick together. But I guess sticking together is wrong as well....we must break up the "Rich Whitey Posse"! LOL!

I really wonder if others can see the cyclic argument?

a reply to: Gryphon66

Not to mention but the turnout was what ... 35-40 percent TOPS of the American electorate?

Last night hardly represents the will of The People. More aptly, it was the will of the Americans allowed to vote.

Look I dont like the Repubes anymore then most of the liberals or progressives here on this site.......but heres the deal......

If you chose NOT to go out and vote and you say that the voter turn out DIDNT represent the people.......

Then the people who DIDNT show up to vote obviously dont have the "Will " to try and make a change.......

If the people who didnt hit the polls are the majority of the people , and they allow the rest of the voters to decide their destiny w out putting in their own voice, then they have spoken and their words are...

"I hate this unfairness, I hate what this gov is doing, but meh.....im too busy doing other stuff, then try and make a difference , so ill just complain and cry foul and whine" "MOOOOM MORE HOTPOCKETS!"

a reply to: ScientiaFortisDefendit

Socialism is not communism. Ironic you tell me to educate myself. I'm well versed in history. Sweden is full socialist and they are doing fine. But yeah bring up communist totalitarian leaders as examples of socialists.

Republican propaganda is so powerful.

a reply to: ScientiaFortisDefendit

"You should focus on getting violence out of television, it would be an easier task."

Lol, who cares how violent TV is. You are correct in the hopelessness and immensity of the task. I'm not afraid to fight in a hopeless cause. I've been doing it my whole life. I'm not the type to roll over and take it.

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: ScientiaFortisDefendit

Socialism is not communism. Ironic you tell me to educate myself. I'm well versed in history. Sweden is full socialist and they are doing fine. But yeah bring up communist totalitarian leaders as examples of socialists.

Republican propaganda is so powerful.

Ah yes, the semantic hair-splitting that you guys always revert to. As though one were better than the other.

It seems liberal propaganda is more so.

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: ScientiaFortisDefendit



Socialism is not communism. Ironic you tell me to educate myself. I'm well versed in history. Sweden is full socialist and they are doing fine. But yeah bring up communist totalitarian leaders as examples of socialists.



Republican propaganda is so powerful.

Sweden is doing fine?

"So where are the poor, crazy, reckless people of Sweden? Living off Swedish tax money and taking up their inequitable residence in Swedish neighborhoods, and growing in numbers since the financial prosperity of the cradle-to-grave system doesn't discourage their lacklazy habits".

"If you say Sweden, I say "Socialism WORKS!" But does it really work"?
www.paoracle.com...!/index.php?sw=Sweden

a reply to: Vasa Croe

The idea that the young and minorities are lazy and won't work is probably the biggest reason I can't stand Republicans. Seriously productivity has never stopped going up. You aren't the only ones who worked hard. You just didn't have the system robbing you blind.

Did you leave school with massive student debt that will follow you through bankruptcy and death and has obscene interests rates? Did you have to enter a job market where every level jobs require years of experience and no one offers training unless you are willing to work for free?

Must I go on? You old folks had it easy (unless you're greatest generation or earlier). You became adults during a time of unprecedented prosperity and growth. You sucked all of it up and left nothing for us. Thanks for selling our livelihood to bankers, corporations, and third world nations. I really appreciate it.

a reply to: ScientiaFortisDefendit

OK if you don't care about accuracy. If I'm a communist, you're a fascist. You can be Hitler, I'll be Stalin. Or do you want to be Mussolini? Maybe I'll be Mao.

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: ScientiaFortisDefendit

Socialism is not communism. Ironic you tell me to educate myself. I'm well versed in history. Sweden is full socialist and they are doing fine. But yeah bring up communist totalitarian leaders as examples of socialists.

Republican propaganda is so powerful.

Except Sweden is NOT full of socialists anymore.....

In the 1990s Swedes began to realize what socialism and statism were doing to the quality of life in their country. As a result, they elected Sweden’s first conservative government since the end of World War II. Knowing precisely what needed to be done to pull their nation back from the abyss of economic ruin, Sweden’s new conservative government quickly went to work cutting taxes on businesses and individuals. Things began to change for the better almost immediately. Consider the following improvements Sweden has enjoyed since beginning the long, hard road back from socialism and statism (data provided by the NCPA):

Between 1993 and 2010, Sweden’s GDP growth exceeded that of the rest of Europe by one full percentage point. Further, by 2010 public debt had dropped to 37 percent of GDP and taxes on businesses had been decreased to 22 percent (compare this with the 36 percent rate in the United States).

Sweden’s political leaders transformed the nation’s retirement pension system from a defined-benefit system into a defined contribution system, thereby saving it from inevitable insolvency.

The Swedish Fiscal Policy Council was established and empowered to independently monitor and evaluate government fiscal policy.

The Council’s most current recommendation is that Sweden raise its retirement age to protect the long-term solvency of the nation’s retirement system.

Oh, and from NCPA, here is a little on how well the Obamacare situation will turn out for us.....

The United States can look to Sweden for a preview of America's health care future, says Per Bylund, a professor at the Hankamer School of Business at Baylor University.

Sweden is routinely praised as an example of a successful socialist country, but its health care industry suggests something else entirely. While Sweden's universal health care system is consistently ranked as one of the best quality-wise, the country has an access problem.

Swedish patients face incredibly long wait times simply to get an appointment with a doctor, even having to wait for emergency care. Certain procedures have multiyear wait times, and treatment is sometimes denied altogether.
As of 2013, Sweden's National Board of Health and Welfare reported that the average wait time from initial referral to start of treatment for "intermediary and high risk" prostate cancer was an incredible 220 days.
One 80-year-old Swedish woman recently had to wait four hours before an ambulance arrived. And no ambulance at all came to a one-month-old infant who suffered a cerebral hemorrhage.
This rationing is due to the gap between the number of people seeking care and the capabilities of health care providers -- and the United States can expect to see the same results thanks to ObamaCare.

Free markets lead to innovation, as companies and entrepreneurs respond to demand and find ways to offer better products at better prices. Decentralization is the key to an effective free market. But ObamaCare does the opposite.

Swedish patients are routinely denied care because of their government's policies, which is why many Swedes -- despite the guarantee of free public care -- have flocked to private insurance coverage over the last 20 years.

In the last five years, the number of private policyholders in Sweden has increased by 67 percent.
Notably, these private insurance enrollments have increased despite the fact that the average Swedish family already pays $20,000 annually in taxes toward health care and elderly care.
Bylund, a citizen of Sweden who has lived there for most of his life, says that the only way to have affordable, high-quality and accessible health care is in a system that allows real competition between health care providers.

Source

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Doesn't change that scientia brought up totalitarian dictators as examples of socialism. Ridiculous.

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: Vasa Croe

The idea that the young and minorities are lazy and won't work is probably the biggest reason I can't stand Republicans. Seriously productivity has never stopped going up. You aren't the only ones who worked hard. You just didn't have the system robbing you blind.

Did you leave school with massive student debt that will follow you through bankruptcy and death and has obscene interests rates? Did you have to enter a job market where every level jobs require years of experience and no one offers training unless you are willing to work for free?

Must I go on? You old folks had it easy (unless you're greatest generation or earlier). You became adults during a time of unprecedented prosperity and growth. You sucked all of it up and left nothing for us. Thanks for selling our livelihood to bankers, corporations, and third world nations. I really appreciate it.

Awe....cry me a river....so hard to believe that nobody wants to work hard for it these days. Yep....I left school with debt, mine and my ex-wife's, which I worked towards and paid off like an adult. And yes, it was a really expensive private school that I got into because I got scholarships for, wait for it.....being smart and working hard to be successful! SHOCKING!

Oh, and there is no idea that they are lazy and won't work, your voter turnout stats PROVE that, hence the irony of your thread. You want change? Better get the lazy ones to perk up a bit.

By the way, I am under 40 so not exactly the "Old Whitey" you believe is in charge.

Try this....work hard and get paid well, then let me know how happy you will be to see 40-50% of your paycheck go to support people who choose to be lazy and not support themselves....again, your stats, not mine, prove this. See the problem is that all the REALLY young crowds of people want everything and they want it now. It's called putting in your time and working towards a goal....do they expect to make $100k/year in their first year?

As far as school debt....again....cry me a river....there are plenty of ways to lighten the load there, and you can't blame rich whitey for the price a school makes their education nor the choice of the person who couldn't afford it in the first place to go there....ridiculous and just like most Dems...blaming personal decisions on everyone but themselves. Don't go to school, knowing what your tuition amount is, then cry to me when you get the bill and can't pay it.....it's called responsibility for your own decisions!

Geez....

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Doesn't change that scientia brought up totalitarian dictators as examples of socialism. Ridiculous.

And you brought up Sweden with a retort that you studied history.....well, Sweden WAS socialist and we can see how that turned out now.

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: ScientiaFortisDefendit

OK if you don't care about accuracy. If I'm a communist, you're a fascist. You can be Hitler, I'll be Stalin. Or do you want to be Mussolini? Maybe I'll be Mao.

I am a fascist? I'd like to dismantle wall street and end speculative trading, or at the VERY least bring back Glass-Steagall. I'd like to shut down the military industrial complex that was launched post-ww2 to keep the fat stacks rolling into the companies that built the war machine. These companies that build missiles and tanks could be building other things that could improve the lives of Americans rather than end the lives of non-Americans.

Fascist? Hardly.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Pretty well actually. Last I checked they aren't experiencing the wild income inequality we are or the police brutality or any of our crumbling nation's massive issues.

a reply to: Gryphon66

More correctly it was the will of the people

willing

to vote.

Willing to have their voice heard. Willing to give a damn.

You know how long it took me to fill out my ballot and walk it to the mail box? Twenty minutes. That's all...

a reply to: ScientiaFortisDefendit

Capitalist Republic is to Fascism as Socialist Democracy is to Communism. Maybe you shouldn't oversimplify things.

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: ScientiaFortisDefendit

Capitalist Republic is to Fascism as Socialist Democracy is to Communism. Maybe you shouldn't oversimplify things.

We'll stick to the Capitalist Republic, then. Thanks for your vote. Sorry it didn't work out for you.

SFD out.

a reply to: seagull

The Republicans did so a fantastic job with disenfranchising voters and creating disillusionment with democracy.