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This is Why I will be Voting Today...

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posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 12:46 PM
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a reply to: whyamIhere

Can you show me an example of people being against poor/minority welfare are also against corporate welfare? In my experience the ones that blame poor people for our nation's ills are the same ones who want tax breaks for the rich and other forms of corporate welfare.




posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 12:46 PM
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a reply to: tavi45

What Americans have you been talking too? Maybe some grey hairs approve of it. Or drunk red necks. I have yet to meet an actual person that has agreed with our ME policy. All of my vet friends know it was about Bush and the oil. At least in Iraq.



posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 12:48 PM
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a reply to: nukedog

I've been talking to wealthy sheltered white folk.



posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: whyamIhere

Can you show me an example of people being against poor/minority welfare are also against corporate welfare? In my experience the ones that blame poor people for our nation's ills are the same ones who want tax breaks for the rich and other forms of corporate welfare.


Yes, there are a few examples.

Just not in either party. Also, I agree there are not that many.

Hence...I have no Party.



posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 12:51 PM
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a reply to: nukedog

If it is your premise that both sides "act identical", then what are things you can do to strengthen your party of preference? Ideas could be to help educate constituents on the party platform and ideology so that their selection of candidates mostly mirrors what is true to the party, becoming active in legislative campaigns, even running for local office.

Of course you are not required to do these things, but rather than abandoning our 2 party system, become active with things that can strengthen your party.

It appears extremely un-patriotic to hear people even mentioning a 3rd party. They know the 3rd party will never hold a strong footing, so this is really their way of abandoning United States tradition.



posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 12:53 PM
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If i could i would be on welfare for the rest of my life!
Not because i'm lazy but because the corrupt government keeps taking more of our taxes. So F £#% em!

You go ahead and vote for the lesser of 2 evils! It dont change a damn thing....



posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 01:01 PM
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a reply to: StarGazer77

Lately I have had interesting options to vote for on the right side of the aisle. Time will tell if they do the things they say they are for, ie smaller government, upholding the constitution, a more accountable tax system, strengthening the middle class, defense of the second amendment, and a responsible budget.

The reality is that neocons are killing the right. We will see



posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 01:03 PM
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a reply to: whyamIhere

You have no party- unpatriotic.

A Social liberal and a fiscal conservative?

The constitution should not be viewed conservatively (narrow) for one thing but liberally (broad) for personal things. That is a bit selfish. The constitution makes provisions for restrictive government intrusion- how can you be for low taxes but allow the government to intervene in the sanctity of marriage, for example? The constitution allows the right for all person to have life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, not just when it benefits you, such as in the case of slavery or abortion.

See, if you yourself are not even 'true-to-party', why are you expecting your given candidates to be?
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posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 01:05 PM
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a reply to: StarGazer77

Socially liberal and fiscally conservative is where the vast majority of everyday Americans are at. We are unpatriotic?



posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 01:07 PM
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a reply to: nukedog

Most Americans' don't understand American politics, the 3 branches of government, nor the constitution.

To be "fiscally conservative' but "socially liberal" shows again, political ignorance. The constitution is not to be cherry-picked.

This flop-sided, unstable interpretation is what breeds unpatriotic sentiment.
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posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 01:08 PM
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originally posted by: StarGazer77However, I am proud of my political party (party doesn't mean you are in love with all the members) and I wish we could wear stickers displaying our party affliation.


We have had decades of the Republican/Democrat cycle. During that time the country has steadily gone down the tubes. The fact is, both parties are essentially owned by the power-brokers (big biz, Elite, big banks, etc.) The incumbents (of either party) simply do their benefactors'' bidding. It's much, much more efficient for the power-brokers to only have to deal with two entities (Rep/Dem party leaders) and then have those leaders direct the actions of the elected. It would be much, much harder if the power-brokers had to deal on a politician-by-politician basis. The fact is, such a scenario would open them up to being 'outed'. It would be like herding cats. They have perfected this system for generations.

You can play the 'my-party-is-better-than-your-party' game until you are blue in the face. The facts remain. WE are getting progressively and continually screwed while THEY are getting progressively and continually more wealthy. They use people like you to paint a veneer of legitimacy on what is a corrupt and self-serving business model. Nothing will change. Finger-pointing, excuses and management-by-fear will accelerate. Our rights and liberties will continue to be stripped.

Forget not voting for incumbents. What difference will it make? Look at all the politicians that go into office promising to 'fix the system' and then go all 'stepford wife' on us. They can't do crap when the party leaders have their gonads in their cold, clammy fist. The only fading glimmer of a hope WE have is to aggressively vote against ANY candidate that has an affiliation with either the Rep or Dem party --- even if they try and pass themselves off as an 'Independent'. Vote third party exclusively and loudly. Make any affiliation with either party a career-ender. Make Republicans and Democrats the pariahs they are.

In the decades of the Rep/Dem cycle the only thing that has changed is that today, they don't even try to give the illusions of legitimacy. They've learned there is no accountability for their actions. There will be no repercussions so why bother? Political ads are chock-full of outright lies, twisted facts, and unsubstantiated assertions. For example, one of the dozen or so robocalls that came in yesterday had a woman who said she had moved to my state from Detroit. She told me I needed to vote against the 'expanded gaming' initiative because Detroit had passed that and went bankrupt. Really? It was casino gambling that did-in Detroit??

Third Party or die. That's our choice. Most will laugh that off but just wait. You'll see. I say roll out the guillotines now. It worked in France.



posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 01:12 PM
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a reply to: jtma508

Yes, and this is what the factions shouted when they were trying to do away with the Constitution all together.

No thanks, I will keep my freedoms.



posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 01:13 PM
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originally posted by: StarGazer77



It appears extremely un-patriotic to hear people even mentioning a 3rd party. They know the 3rd party will never hold a strong footing, so this is really their way of abandoning United States tradition.


what a load of bollocks.

Forceing people into a 2 party system is only one step less bad than China forceing people into one party!

The core principle of the USA was FREEDOM. People have the right to support who the hell they like and vote how they will. Its un-patriotic in my view to force people down a corrupt two partys system!



posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 01:15 PM
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While I don't agree with your reasons for voting as a main concern: The Two Party system needs to be addressed within these current votes.


originally posted by: StarGazer77
Wearing my sticker proudly today as well.

However, I am proud of my political party (party doesn't mean you are in love with all the members) and I wish we could wear stickers displaying our party affliation.

Too often, people develop this un-patriotic attitude and concede that both parties are 'horrible'. This is no personal insult, but people who say that display their political ignorance. When you ask them specifically, they usually respond that there is some grand conspiracy that both parties work together to hurt everyone. Not very logical.



*sigh*

Un-Patriotic? Not at all, it gives people options besides least of the worst voting.

There's lots to learn here about otherwise contrived assumptions.




When you understand the American Political system, you find that your devotion does not go to the person, but rather the party platform and ideology. Usually, your average person does not truly understand platform nor ideology, and sit back thinking a magical party will be developed that happens to side with them on EVERY issue. These are dreamers.



Party platform and ideology is part of the problem. Speaking of understanding I guess each side can only believe in what their side advocates.

"sit back thinking a magical party will be developed that happens to side with them on EVERY issue." But they are not, not everyone will agree on everything. That means the Independent voter can pick and choose out of the candidates, not only vote for people in their party. The bigger issue is the two party system has a huge hold on people's decision when voting. Those who choose to vote Independently see this. Those who keep voting within the two party system perpetuate it.



posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 01:15 PM
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a reply to: StarGazer77

What we do understand is that we have been consistently let down. So we are unamerican for not supporting our reckless overseas policy? We are not patriotic for condemning career politicians that steadily work the system to their own advantage? We are pinko commies for having a severely hampered and increasingly marginalized way of life? We are al queso supporters because we resent the beast that our digitIzed spying is becoming/has become?

Very well



posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 01:16 PM
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originally posted by: Vasa Croe
I voted. I also agree with you. There should definitely be a time limit on welfare. Cut it off and make them figure it out. The girl in that video looks perfectly capable of doing something. Welfare in general is a bad idea.


To some extent I disagree with you. The way that our welfare system is currently set up, it's all or nothing. It needs to be reformed so this doesn't happen.

There are numbers out there that show that a single mother who works full-time at minimum wage and knows how to work the system can bring home enough in benefits that added to her wage, she will wind up with more expendable income than a family of four making around $65K/year in CT. Now granted, a lot of what she can get is not money in her hand but various subsidies that pay for things most of us have to find ways to pay off for ourelves: housing, utilities, daycare, etc. But add the monetary value of those subsidies up and she's making quite a haul.

However, if she slips up and makes just a bit too much, she loses a lot and if she miscalculates, what she makes to go over the line may not be able to cover her for what she will lose in assistance. The hit can be potentially more than a person can absorb and it disincentivizes someone reaching for their own independence in a big way.

I am all for booting people off of welfare who currently have no intention of finding any other way, but I am also for finding ways to incentivize people to get themselves off. The current system is designed as a trap, and you catch more flies with honey.



posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 01:17 PM
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Can we not bring up the constitution? It's been dead for a while and is not relevant anymore.



posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 01:18 PM
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originally posted by: StarGazer77
a reply to: nukedog

Most Americans' don't understand American politics, the 3 branches of government, nor the constitution.

To be "fiscally conservative' but "socially liberal" shows again, political ignorance. The constitution is not to be cherry-picked.

This flop-sided, unstable interpretation is what breeds unpatriotic sentiment.


Actually that was brought up in a poll. It was found that Independent voters ranked higher on those scales of government knowledge than the average voter.

You seem to have conflicting data on that? Care to share?




"fiscally conservative' but "socially liberal" is Libertarian. Are you saying Libertarianism is politically ignorant?



posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

I have to agree with the Ewok here. I'm not choosing between puke and snot anymore. The fact that people do, is why the country never stops plunging into the eternal spiral of corruption. I'm so tired of people saying stupid crap like "your vote is wasted" when the handful of people who vote 3rd party are the only ones who can see past the B.S.



posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 01:33 PM
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I'm voting against all the anti-science stuff from the right. I realize they aren't all like that and there are some good republicans in congress. It just depends on the state, candidates etc.

But there is just too much. I don't have a problem with someone wanting to debate climate change, man made global warming etc. You can be in opposition to my view but if you're sane and have some other qualifications, it wont' stop me from voting for you. But there are these guys..like Sen. Jim Inhofe quoting the bible in opposition to climate change. That's a little looney. Or the you can't get pregnant from rape guys...

We got to stop this.



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