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Humans have serious daddy issues. If people don't believe in god they cling to ETs. Humans couldn't live without a far-out fallacy of 'being saved' at some point in our meaningless, boring little lives.
originally posted by: AgentShillington
a reply to: liteonit6969
What you are suggesting as a viable alternative to empirical research is directly analogous to the Prophetic religions of Abraham.
Answer this, if you would.
Advanced being talks to only a few and their information cannot be verified and must be trusted. Am I talking about a thousands of years old religion, or modern day UFOlogy believers?
originally posted by: liteonit6969
a reply to: AgentShillington
Yes these tools do work in everyday life and for specific tasks, but you are going to struggle to catch a baseball with a teaspoon. Everything is designed for a purpose and how can one begin to design a tech to study these beings if we know nothing of them?
originally posted by: AgentShillington
originally posted by: Urantia1111
a reply to: CardDown
No one is forcing you to accept any video as evidence of anything, try to remain calm. All I'm saying is that, for a genuinely open-minded person, his story is plausible. He doesn't necessarily have to drive me out there and introduce me to living ETs. If his tale is as absurd as you claim, there shouldn't be the need for so many, absent an antidisclosure agenda, to press so hard to assure nobody believes a word of it.
The need to press hard against this type of story is that there isn't any evidence for it. No evidence means non-story. Why should attention go to this non-story when there are more worthy stories with more evidence that could be looked into?
Ufology is still struggling to achieve scientific and popular respectability, so it is perhaps understandable that public pronouncements of ufologists would be primarily in the persuasive rather than expository vein. It can thus be observed that all the traditional tricks of the Madison Avenue advertising executive's trade are followed: appeals t o authority ("Jimmy Carter saw a UFO"; "our heroic astronauts have seen UFOs l"); assertions of the consequent ("the Universe is so large that other civilizations must exist out there!"); the bandwagon appeal ("Most Americans now believe in UFOs''); the conspiratorial appeal("The government knows all about it but is hiding the truth"); and the salvation appeal ("The people from space will come to bail us out of our self-indicted miseries"). It is not necessary at first to examine the actual validity of such statements. What is important is to recognise them for what they are: tactics of illogical persuasion.
At the same time, most of what is commonly published about ufology is undeniably nonsense... For the publishing industry and the news media, UFO stories are good business; they combine human interest, comic relief, scary stories, and swipes at government cover-ups and know-it-all scientists. It is based on such misinformation (and not a little disinformation) that the vast majority of the public has formed its attitudes about UFOs. To say, then, that "most Americans believe in UFOs" is to testify not to the scientific credentials of ufology but to the effectiveness of the media myth makers.
Few choose to look behind the myths. The much-touted "Jimmy Carter UFO", for example, was never investigated by any of the ufologists who flaunted it or by any of the newsmen who advert ised it -- they simply passed it on as a good story, a useful anecdote. Yet when one skeptical young investigator named Robert Sheaffer tracked the case down, he uncovered gross inaccuracies in Carter's four-year-old recollections of the date and location of the event, and also came up with testimony from other witnesses which helped determine an entirely prosaic solution to the account. Nevertheless, the "Jimmy Carter UFO" is still constantly being referred to by UFO spokesmen who, due to an unconscious media blackout of skeptical work such as Sheaffer's, probably do not even know or care that it has been investigated and "solved".
Another glaring example of the total disregard for authenticity of evidence by most ufologists is the oft-repeated assertion that "astronauts have seen them too". Dozens of accounts have been collected of space pilots seeing and photographing UFOs; more than 20 such stories were featured in Hynek's Edge of Reality, a book which was billed as a "progress report" on the state of ufology. Yet not one of these cases has any relevance to "true UFOs", as they are for the most part frauds and hoaxes conjured up by unscrupulous writers and UFO buffs (several blatant photographic forgeries have been identified in these stories), or misunderstandings by citizens concerning the meaning of ordinary space jargon, or in a few cases, reports of passing satellites which in no way appear to be extraordinary. Yet with selective omission of explanatory data, with exaggeration, misquotation, or even fabrication of alleged "voice transcripts", and with deliberate accusations of "government cover-up", such stories form a major pillar of the public's "belief" in UFOs.
.... The burden of proof, which customarily lies with the claimants of super normality (or, in a criminal trial, of the guilt of the accused, who is "innocent until proven guilty"), has been shifted to the skeptics, who are in the case of UFOs required to disprove the evidence. In the Carter-UFO and the astronaut-UFOs, it was the skeptics who investigated and solved the cases -- while ufologists assumed the cases were authentic until proven otherwise (and most still believe so). .............
What is ufology?
If ufology is not a science, what then is it? It might be considered as a protest movement against the impersonality and specialization of modern science, which has all but eliminated the role of the "citizen-scientist'', the amateur investigator who in the past contributed substantially to the development of science through part-time dabbling. Belief in UFOs is also an undeniably attractive "ego trip", a posturing of inside information and secret lore, the possession of which puts its intimates apart from and above the rest of the unimaginative world. Such speculations demand more scientific attention of sociologists.
Nor would it be fair to judge ufology by the quality and quantity of the outright crackpots whom it attracts -- other fields, such as medicine, religion, education and economics, have certainly attracted crackpots as well. Yet it cannot be overlooked that ufology seems to have attracted more than its fair share of cranks, and that it has failed to police adequately its own ranks in this regard.
Where is the "ufology" movement likely to be after another 30 years?
Source and FULL article : New Scientist magazine, London, October 11, 1979
I understand what you're saying and I meant humans as a whole. We've always needed something to answer our questions, so we make # up....if humans didn't have deep rooted daddy issues, aka that hope some force will come save the day and point us in the right direction, we would have no leaders and probably actually use our brains and achieve something other than a happy meal and coke. So what I'm trying to say is that ufology is basically modern religion to people that think the idea of 'god' is so stupid and ancient. Ufology is just another turd for people to worship. Not that I don't think ET is out there, I do, but it is all really one in the same thing.
originally posted by: liteonit6969
a reply to: Flesh699
I dont want saved, to be honest a sick part of me wants this world to turn to sh*t and start from scratch. I take responsibility for myself and family and dont need God or ET to save me. When not if but when the SHTF i have taken the steps to care for those i care for in every way. Those people you say need saved from their so called boring life are products of a system that is fundamentally wrong and centered around money. Would you not want something better or hope if you worked 50 hour week just to have a small roof over you head and basic food and water. This system is breaking up families and maybe you are right some ple do want to be saved, because this system is bullsh*t.
Astronaut Gordon Cooper relaying a story about a Disc landing at Edwards
AFB right in front of him as he filmed it, comes to mind.
He wrote the UN about it.I don't know about others opinions but certainly
Cooper isn't your everyday witness nor does he strike me as a liar.
originally posted by: liteonit6969
a reply to: Tangerine
Whats wrong with your post and society today is using the word religion when referring to something that we cannot empirically research in a scientific way. The problem is science is an ever flowing changing area where what was scientifically correct yesterday can be laughable today. Therefore how can science be used to research and provide data on something that it has not began to understand. Whats wrong with people today is they feel superior to those of past civilizations with our scientific understanding. But in reality there our so many contradictions in our laws of physics that even these "scientists" cant even agree on many subjects.
I totally understand that no one can provide tangible evidence that can offer 100% confirmation on this subject, but who really is going to provide it. The scientists (as i have said above) who are mostly funded by those with other motives or the mass, who are so preoccupied with surviving and getting by on a day to day basis that they agree with whatever is fed to them through the easy accessible media.
Im not a blind faith person who claims 100% of alien existance, neither am i religious. However at least i can acknowledge that we know so little which is worsened by our ego and ultimately blinds us from progressing as a species. And with that i can keep an open mind to see without restriction of our man termed laws, which in reality are only terms of communication....nothing more and nothing less.
I have made no such assumption in this thread. Seriously, for someone who claims to be open minded, you certainly have made your mind up about me after a single discussion. Please stop making me the target of your posts.
But.. somehow.. these highly advanced aliens.. keep showing themselves to people that have little social training and no means of using the information for any purpose other than trying to sell books and post on conspiracy websites?
Attention is a finite resource. To say otherwise is very naive.